TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

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Saul Goodman
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TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:05 am

Fire away. Disclaimer: All is not doom and gloom. Currently happily self employed and doing well financially.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Daddy » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:41 am

Self-employed doing what?
Why did you chose the TTTT?...Did you know the job/opportunity stats?

Do you believe you ended up at the bottom as a result of a lack of work ethic? or was the competition just that fierce?

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by barkschool » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am

How will you raise above survivor bias to leave unbiased answers for people who find themselves in your situation?

Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by sev » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:11 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:05 am
Currently happily self employed and doing well financially.
I thought you were working at Cinnabon?

(edit: OP's real and similarity to fictional characters is misleading.)
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Post by somelawperson » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:23 pm

sev wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:11 pm
Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:05 am
Currently happily self employed and doing well financially.
I thought you were working at Cinnabon?
I also thought this was flame but the other thread looks legit.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by somelawperson » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:24 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:05 am
Fire away. Disclaimer: All is not doom and gloom. Currently happily self employed and doing well financially.
What do you wish you had known before you chose to attend your law school?

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by sev » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:37 pm

barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Not OP, but he's in Omaha, and about $40k per year.

(edit: ignore this, thought OP was a troll.)
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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Daddy » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:45 pm

sev wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:37 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Not OP, but he's in Omaha, and about $40k per year.

How do you know?

What's he doing?

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Post by Stranger » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:53 pm

Daddy wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:45 pm
sev wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:37 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Not OP, but he's in Omaha, and about $40k per year.

How do you know?

What's he doing?
It's a riff on OP's user name. Click sev's link for the job in question.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by barkschool » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:23 pm

Daddy wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:45 pm
sev wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:37 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Not OP, but he's in Omaha, and about $40k per year.

How do you know?

What's he doing?
Not OP, but it’s pretty sweet to likely have manager exp over other attys this early in his career.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:32 pm

Daddy wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:41 am
Self-employed doing what?
Why did you chose the TTTT?...Did you know the job/opportunity stats?

Do you believe you ended up at the bottom as a result of a lack of work ethic? or was the competition just that fierce?
I do ADA claims and Criminal Defense primarily. I went TTTT because of the the scholarship. I was aware of the the opportunities but part of me was very idealistic and perhaps too immature to understand what I was getting myself into. I ended up at the bottom due to a little bit of everything. My mother was diagnosed with cancer around the start of 2L yr so that took a toll on me. I lost motivation to improve grades and only wanted meet the minimum gpa requirements to keep my scholarship.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:35 pm

barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
How will you raise above survivor bias to leave unbiased answers for people who find themselves in your situation?

Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Market is Miami Dade County FL so it's fairly large. My biggest piece of advice is to be creative. There are plenty of niche areas of law that a young attorneys can break into where there is plenty of demand. The traditional practice route is overrated imo. All of my friends that are in it are hating life. I'm on pace to bring home $120k this yr.

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Post by Slippin’ Jimmy » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:39 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:35 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
How will you raise above survivor bias to leave unbiased answers for people who find themselves in your situation?

Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Market is Miami Dade County FL so it's fairly large. My biggest piece of advice is to be creative. There are plenty of niche areas of law that a young attorneys can break into where there is plenty of demand. The traditional practice route is overrated imo. All of my friends that are in it are hating life. I'm on pace to bring home $120k this yr.
Since you're in South Florida I'm assuming Ave Maria? That is if you didn't do American Samoa's online program.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by pancakes3 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:55 pm

is OP Young Marino?

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Post by barkschool » Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:56 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:55 pm
is OP Young Marino?
He would have pushed back way harder to the light teasing.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:04 pm

Slippin’ Jimmy wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:39 pm
Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:35 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
How will you raise above survivor bias to leave unbiased answers for people who find themselves in your situation?

Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Market is Miami Dade County FL so it's fairly large. My biggest piece of advice is to be creative. There are plenty of niche areas of law that a young attorneys can break into where there is plenty of demand. The traditional practice route is overrated imo. All of my friends that are in it are hating life. I'm on pace to bring home $120k this yr.
Since you're in South Florida I'm assuming Ave Maria? That is if you didn't do American Samoa's online program.
ASU online ftw!! Lol but in all seriousness, I don't want to give my alma mater out for ID purposes. I feel I have revealed too much already in an effort to assist this online community.

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Post by Echos Myron » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:18 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:35 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
How will you raise above survivor bias to leave unbiased answers for people who find themselves in your situation?

Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Market is Miami Dade County FL so it's fairly large. My biggest piece of advice is to be creative. There are plenty of niche areas of law that a young attorneys can break into where there is plenty of demand. The traditional practice route is overrated imo. All of my friends that are in it are hating life. I'm on pace to bring home $120k this yr.
When did you graduate? How many hours do you work per week? Is the work interesting or mundane? Do you plan to stay solo for your career?

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Post by BearCat » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:36 pm

What are your rates/how do you set them for criminal defense work?

How do you get ADA claims? Referrals?

Does the issue of your law school ever come up when talking to clients?

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:37 pm

Echos Myron wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:18 pm
Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:35 pm
barkschool wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:52 am
How will you raise above survivor bias to leave unbiased answers for people who find themselves in your situation?

Edit: what market/ how much do you take home a year
Market is Miami Dade County FL so it's fairly large. My biggest piece of advice is to be creative. There are plenty of niche areas of law that a young attorneys can break into where there is plenty of demand. The traditional practice route is overrated imo. All of my friends that are in it are hating life. I'm on pace to bring home $120k this yr.
When did you graduate? How many hours do you work per week? Is the work interesting or mundane? Do you plan to stay solo for your career?
I'll put it this way, I've been barred for less than 3 years. Tough to put a number of hours on the work week. Some days I'm working 9am-11pm other days I put in about 2-4 hours and go hang at the beach after. Also depends if I have a matter in court or not on the criminal stuff. If I have to appear in court it usually takes up my entire morming between waiting to speak to the judge and driving to and from the courthouse. I most definitely intend on staying solo.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:44 pm

IPeeLaw wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 2:36 pm
What are your rates/how do you set them for criminal defense work?

How do you get ADA claims? Referrals?

Does the issue of your law school ever come up when talking to clients?
Nobody cares where I went to law school or what my grades were like. I haven't had a conversation like that since 3L. I do speaking engagements quarterly to drum up business. See the Criminal Defense Thread in "Practice Area Discussion" for answer to rates and the like.

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Post by BearCat » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:04 pm

Does not having access to Westlaw/Lexis put you at a disadvantage? What type of speaking engagements help drum up business? Like bar association stuff, or?

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:43 pm

IPeeLaw wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:04 pm
Does not having access to Westlaw/Lexis put you at a disadvantage? What type of speaking engagements help drum up business? Like bar association stuff, or?
It's essentially educational seminars on rights and liberites under the law. It takes a TON of networking to make the contacts that can put you in a position to speak to a large group of people. Usually done at various non profit orgs. I use FastCase instead of WL or Lexis as it is offered for free through the State Bar so I do not feel I am at a disadvantage. Additonally, the law library at the courthouses down here have free Westlaw and you can email cases to yourself.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by jeff chiles » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:47 pm

What kind of stuff keeps you up at night/what’s your biggest fear being a young solo attorney?

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:18 pm

jeff chiles wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:47 pm
What kind of stuff keeps you up at night/what’s your biggest fear being a young solo attorney?
That's a great question.. I sleep pretty well at night but if there is one thing that kind of keeps me in edge is fear of the unknown/future. I wonder how my practice is going to look a few years from now. How I'm supposed to start investing and in what. I wonder how I'm going to balance my practice with children when my wife and I decide to start having kids. I, like many attorneys across the country, suffer from high levels of stressed induced anxiety that can be crippling so I have to watch how I react to things, how I eat, how much alcohol I drink, etc. I really try to accept things as they are if I can't control them but that's easier said than done. I try to stay in the present as best I can and my wife is an amazing woman who gives me all the support I need to live a happy and healthy life. If there is one piece of advice I can give is treat your mental health as a top priority. A lot has been made recently about the toxic culture of law firms especially big firms. Don't sacrifice your mental well being for that. Life is too short.

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Re: TTTT Botton 20% grad/alum taking questions

Post by Saul Goodman » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:33 pm

Rowdy wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:24 pm
Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:05 am
Fire away. Disclaimer: All is not doom and gloom. Currently happily self employed and doing well financially.
What do you wish you had known before you chose to attend your law school?
I wish I would have known about the reality of practicing law. I'm happier now that I'm self employed and call my own shots but man working for somebody else, whether it's in law or any other profession, just blows. Maybe it just wasn't a good fit for me because I've always been very entrepreneurial. To each his own I suppose.

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