Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by KernKraft » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:48 am

Desert Fox wrote:
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:44 pm
The beauty of mbe auto pass is that most of the written stuff is mbe topics anyway. On my bar the only 2/9 essays were non mbe topics. And one of those was civ pro, which is how mbe right?
Yeah, but it's tested very differently. You may be really good at multiple choice recognition but suck at rigurgitating the law and issue spotting. However, it's better than nothing if you are in the auto-pass area because it means you know the mbe topics very well.

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by Hung Moose » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:12 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:10 pm
Or at least almost definitely a bar pass. Note, this is only true for states that don't have a minimum score for written parts, and only true for states with a 50% MBE. 40% or lower, MBE is still huge but it's harder to pass by just MBE.

Lets take Illinois for example. You need 264 points to pass and you can get them from MBE or written (which is scaled to match MBE scoring ranges). Here is what the percentiles looked like last july https://www.ilbaradmissions.org/Percent ... lentCharts

If you get a 150 on the MBE (all scores I'm talking about ITT are scaled, raw doesn't matter), then you only need a 114 (264 - 150) on the written. A 150 MBE isn't that hard, it's the 60th percentile and it only covers 6 subjects. For clean cut, standardized test taking naturals like TLSers this should be more than doable.

So how bad is a 114 written? Look at the chart I linked. It's LOWER than bottom 1%.

If you pull off a 160, 82%, you can get a 104 on written. I'm not sure they even give written scores that low.
I'm taking in Illinois in July, and I don't think it's that easy anymore, at least based on the Feb. 2018 scoring memo.

1. IL now requires a 266 to pass

2. A scaled 150 MBE is now 89% percentile.

So unless you absolutely crush the MBE, you can't pass without doing at least okay on the essays, at least in IL.

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by phillywc » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:04 pm

someone failed with a 153 MBE here in PA this year

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by barkschool » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:08 am

phillywc wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:04 pm
someone failed with a 153 MBE here in PA this year
I can’t believe you wouldn’t just make stuff up on the essays and pass at that point

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by phillywc » Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:10 am

barkschool wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 12:08 am
phillywc wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:04 pm
someone failed with a 153 MBE here in PA this year
I can’t believe you wouldn’t just make stuff up on the essays and pass at that point
pa weights essays at 55% and lowest passing essay was like, 126 or something
to me that feels slightly above making stuff up level but i dunno

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by FinallyPassedTheBar » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:03 am

phillywc wrote:
Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:04 pm
someone failed with a 153 MBE here in PA this year
In Feb 2016 I failed the CA bar with a 150 MBE. Back then, the MBE was only worth 33%.

But, I passed the exam in July 2017 (MBE now worth 50%). I know I scored at least a 150 again because I got an NCBE report saying I could waive into North Dakota (requires 150 MBE minimum).

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by waldorf » Sun Aug 16, 2020 2:42 pm

I'm taking UBE so MBE is 50%. What percentage correct on MBE do I need to auto pass. I need a 270 on UBE to transfer to TX

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Re: Strong MBE = AUTO bar pass

Post by Gurppgork » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:04 am

I used this method. Didn’t do a single practice essay or study any of the essay-only topics. My bar study consisted entirely of practice MBE questions. Passed with a 176 MBE and 135 essay score.

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