so who exactly are these conflicts and ethics and etc. lawyers at my firm?

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so who exactly are these conflicts and ethics and etc. lawyers at my firm?

Post by ballinoutacontro » Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:53 pm

random curious thought.........

I don't mean what do they do, plenty familiar... but like who are they? Our daily end of the day audit letter guy is pretty much a legend.

I've honestly never talked to one of them on a personal level - and frankly not sure if I've ever seen one IRL, since they're mostly based out of other offices/floors than me, as far as I know.

But like, do they interview for that job similarly to associates? Or is it more like a contract specialist sort of position? Or more like a refuge sorta thing associates switch over into to get onto that mommy track or wtv, like the attorneys that go from associate -> recruiter and such?

Granted I know the head of all of them at my firm is basically that -- a partner that wanted to downsize his job and do more fluffy stuff or whatever. But the rest of the lower level people on the staff don't really seem quite like that, mostly pretty young (judging purely from their headshots anyways).

I'm also extremely curious how much they make lol, seems pretty chill, but I could see it being pretty low. /shrug

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Post by HelloYesThisIsDog » Fri Oct 26, 2018 7:08 pm

Maybe don't call it a mommy track and perpetuate misogyny in the legal profession. Food for thought.

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Post by ballinoutacontro » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:30 am

☒ kay. I understand where you're coming from it's getting to that point in some circles so i hear u. not my battle tho.
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Post by ymmv » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:42 am

Most lawyers at big firms aren’t very familiar with the corporate workings of the place that don’t directly and personally affect them, IME.

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Post by ballinoutacontro » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:58 am

youth pastor ymmv wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:42 am
Most lawyers at big firms aren’t very familiar with the corporate workings of the place that don’t directly and personally affect them, IME.
haha, i mean, sad but true, as evidenced by my own OP I'd say lol. I I honestly do try to make an effort to know everyone though! Just tough to do remotely imo

thought somebody might actually have an idea though. esp cuz unlike other staff they're actually lawyers too.

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Post by James Baxter » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:02 pm

What I wanna know is how I become the partner in charge of pro bono. Don’t think they actually practice and that seems like a SWEET gig

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Post by pancakes3 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:10 pm

yeah, that was my first thought when i saw the OP - "if you think the conflicts guys' job is cush, have you met your pro bono guy?"

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Post by beep » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:13 pm

... do other firms have "a pro bono guy"? It's pretty much everyone at my firm, of course to varying degrees. The rainmakers and proto-rainmakers-in-grooming hardly if ever seem to work pro bono cases. Almost everyone else does at least some and there's no one attorney solely in charge of it.

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Post by ymmv » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:27 pm

beep wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:13 pm
... do other firms have "a pro bono guy"? It's pretty much everyone at my firm, of course to varying degrees. The rainmakers and proto-rainmakers-in-grooming hardly if ever seem to work pro bono cases. Almost everyone else does at least some and there's no one attorney solely in charge of it.
In our DC office it was an emeritus partner on the verge of mandatory retirement who doled out everything, though everybody did pro bono to varying degrees. In the (much larger) New York office there were one or two full-time pro bono coordinators, I think, in addition to the partner(s) who managed it. And of course a partner pro bono committee.

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Post by beep » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:45 pm

That's kinda wild to me. I have gotten my pro bono cases by either talking to a pro bono org directly then finding a partner willing to supervise me, or a partner doing the same thing in reverse. There's basically no oversight or coordination except that any single partner has to be listed on the case internally. (And ofc clear conflicts, etc.) Seems like it would be a baller job to get a biglaw salary, especially a biglaw partner salary at a lockstep firm, just to do pro bono.

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Post by ymmv » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:46 pm

Oh that definitely happened too. This was just the path of least resistance involving orgs with which the firm had an established (or was establishing) a relationship. Lots of institutional knowledge there, which is nice.

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Post by ballinoutacontro » Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:26 pm

beep wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:13 pm
... do other firms have "a pro bono guy"? It's pretty much everyone at my firm, of course to varying degrees. The rainmakers and proto-rainmakers-in-grooming hardly if ever seem to work pro bono cases. Almost everyone else does at least some and there's no one attorney solely in charge of it.
pancakes3 wrote:
Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:10 pm
yeah, that was my first thought when i saw the OP - "if you think the conflicts guys' job is cush, have you met your pro bono guy?"


I don't disagree w pancake, but at least here we have 1 old dude pro bono partner who like "manages" all pro bono (or something...), and pretty much does nothing but sign off on conflicts and stuff.

BUT Pretty sure he's a mostly retired bigshot too, kinda like our "finance partner" and the partner-in-charge or whatever (forgot the title for that person).


OTOH, we have a bunch of these ethics/conflicts lawyers, and unlike above pro bono partner, don't seem to have much, if any, experience. Like one I was working with was a '17 grad according to the firm directory. Seems much more attainable and chill than some being some emeritus partner. But probably pays shit so...

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