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Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:31 pm
by shredlife
so my stupid ass bank did some shit where they changed my account number and routing number (they merged with a different bank or something), and my auto-debit payment to FedLoanServicing didn't go through. I've been on PAYE/REPAYE for a few years now

Just get letters from FedLoanServicing that my Forbearance Request was approved (automatic I guess, I didn't apply for or need this), and that I have to pay my unpaid interest or it capitalizes (several thousand $)

I also recall, from somewhere or other, that I've been getting like a 0.25% rate discount for auto paying, but if you miss pone, that goes away. Can't quite recall where I read this, but iirc this is the standard deal.

I had plenty of $, but this would suck really, really, really fucking hard to have my rate increase, and many thousands of $ of interest to capitalize and/or empty out my investment account $ to pay this shit that the gov't would otherwise be subsidizing indefinitely



Anyone had this happen? How fucked am I? I'm gonna give them a call, but not thrilled to fight this fight...

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:41 pm
by Nebby
LRAPTax wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:55 am
If I'm in a LRAP program that pays my loans for me, can I still take the student loan interest deduction?
Yes, if LRAP sends you the money and then you then use that money to pay the loan. The question is more murky if your LRAP provider directly pays your loan for you (although I don't think any do this anymore).

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:36 am
by necho2
necho2 wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:29 am
While people are paying attention to the tax thread- is there any scenario where it makes sense to not pay off uncapitalized loan interest before leaving LS? I heard that frequently before going to school, and now I'm in a position to pay it off (roughly 2.5k) before it gets added to the principle. The problem is that I'm MFJ and we'll probably pay 1.5k or so towards her loans this year, so the fact that the interest deduction doesn't double w/ 2 people hurts us. I also only think I have 1 year before I get phased out by BigLaw.

I know MFS would let us both get the full benefit, but I think since I'd lose out on about $800-1k of Lifetime Learning Credit value for next year, things would work out to a wash (1.5k overflow in 12% bracket ~=1k at 20% credit). Is there an obvious reason to just pay off the interest before it capitalizes that makes this a much easier decision?
Reposting here b/c wound up looking more like a loans questions after I wrote it out...

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:49 pm
by LoganCouture
isn't the obvious reason that it saves you $ in the long run to pay it now? bc once it's capitalized it's added to principal and accrues interest of its own

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:10 pm
by necho2
LoganCouture wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 7:49 pm
isn't the obvious reason that it saves you $ in the long run to pay it now? bc once it's capitalized it's added to principal and accrues interest of its own
Yeah but it's luckily Stafford so we're talking like a 5.5% blended rate so that's not super scary? Trying to figure out if the calculation is really just "should I pay this down right now, or have to pay slightly more interest going forward?" if I have a lump sum to either extinguish it or invest... Knee-jerk reaction is to pay down the debt a little but it would be easier if there was an obvious slam-dunk benefit to doing that v. investing.

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:39 pm
by LoganCouture
Nah no slam dunk benefit. Just a matter of a guaranteed 5.5% ROI for paying it now (but if you refi it would be lower) vs. whatever other return if you invest instead

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:18 pm
by necho2
LoganCouture wrote:
Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:39 pm
Nah no slam dunk benefit. Just a matter of a guaranteed 5.5% ROI for paying it now (but if you refi it would be lower) vs. whatever other return if you invest instead
Yeah I think since my SO and I are gonna pay 1.5k in student loan interest on her plan, and the max (unfairly) is 2.5k even if you're MFJ, the first 1k of interest payoffs is still a slam-dunk since I'll get a deduction for it too, but was hoping there was an easier way to justify paying off as much as possible.

Other consideration is I'll have either a year or 9 months of LRAP payments, so I guess investing rather than paying down that portion of the loan balance would result in a slightly higher payment being covered? But that would be like a 2-2.5k difference at most, so not sure it's large enough to justify...

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:13 pm
by Danger Zone
Also do you need liquidity for any reason? Do you already have an adequate cash reserve for emergencies?

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:27 pm
by necho2
Yeah not sacrificing anything- just eyeballed our collective W-2s and am expecting a big refund that could either basically wipe out accrued interest, or get spent/invested on stuff that we actually need going forward. If the calculation is really just "pay down debt at 5.5% guaranteed" or investing, that's a closer question to the extent that we're not getting a tax deduction for those payments.

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:08 pm
by Johannes
Wait you’re planning to ride out lrap?! Don’t make any payments if going lrap or Pslf

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:09 pm
by necho2
Nah just for a year of clerking. Don't qualify for IBR b/c small debt load so no negative amortization worries either. Fully aware I'm analyzing this like it's a bigger deal than it is, but I like optimizing stuff.

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:13 pm
by Johannes
Ah small debt load and see you have some biglaw later from op.

There’s no optimization here though. Just a risk preference. You can either get a guaranteed return on your loan balance or put the money in the market for an unguaranteed return or just buy shit you want and pretend it has a mark up on it.

(When you have loans, you should basically always pretended everything you buy unnecessarily is marked up x% for the opportunity cost)

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:16 pm
by Johannes
The subsidized loans don’t accrue interest in interest fwiw on PAYE for 3 years. Not sure if that’s true under standard 10 year payment or whatever lrap pays, but worth looking into that. Might be a moot point.

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:32 pm
by necho2
Yeah don't think I would qualify for any income-based plans. Disagree w/ maximization point to the extent that I have a deduction to max (since if you tack on 22% marginal or whatever to 5.5%, that makes the guaranteed benefit worth it to me regardless since that drives the interest to ~7%), but after that you're right about risk preferences being the real determination after that.

And yeah tentative plan upon return to Biglaw is to attempt to consolidate w/ SO's to a single low rate since even our combined burden is low enough that I'd pay it off under any income-based plan anyway...

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:55 pm
by Johannes
Money in SPY averages a 9% annual return though. So yeah maximization is almost always risk preference based.

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:22 pm
by Anonnnnn
Starting a. New job in the fall. Going to be jobless for like two months. Have 140k in loans. Should I take the max salary advance (20ish K) to pay down loans quicker? I could live and travel off of like 8 and then throw 10k on the loans automatically. Is there any downside to that?

If it helps the Q, the firm will deduct 2-3k a month from my paycheck and the rest from my year-end bonus.

Again, is there anything I’m missing here? Should I do this or should I not? Are there any tax implications I’m missing?

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:14 am
by Danger Zone
Anonnnnn wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:22 pm
Starting a. New job in the fall. Going to be jobless for like two months. Have 140k in loans. Should I take the max salary advance (20ish K) to pay down loans quicker? I could live and travel off of like 8 and then throw 10k on the loans automatically. Is there any downside to that?

If it helps the Q, the firm will deduct 2-3k a month from my paycheck and the rest from my year-end bonus.

Again, is there anything I’m missing here? Should I do this or should I not? Are there any tax implications I’m missing?
Do they charge interest? Would all of the advance have been earned in the same tax year regardless of your decision?

Re: Student Loans: Payment Options and Numbers

Posted: Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:03 pm
by Anonnnnnn
Danger Zone wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:14 am
Anonnnnn wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:22 pm
Starting a. New job in the fall. Going to be jobless for like two months. Have 140k in loans. Should I take the max salary advance (20ish K) to pay down loans quicker? I could live and travel off of like 8 and then throw 10k on the loans automatically. Is there any downside to that?

If it helps the Q, the firm will deduct 2-3k a month from my paycheck and the rest from my year-end bonus.

Again, is there anything I’m missing here? Should I do this or should I not? Are there any tax implications I’m missing?
Do they charge interest? Would all of the advance have been earned in the same tax year regardless of your decision?
Anonnnnn here. It’s an interest free advance whereby 2k will come out of each paycheck (presumably 3-5paychecks between when I start and the end of the year), and if it’s not paid come bonus time, they’ll take the rest from my bonus. I’m not a first-year associate, and let’s say the bonus, even pro-rated and less tax, will definitely cover the outstanding balance, whatever that is.

Is there any reason to NOT take the advance? And are the advances usually taxed at disbursement?