Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by emkay625 » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:11 pm

hookem wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 6:10 pm
emkay625 wrote:
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wolfonlawstreet wrote:
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Thanks so much for all these answers!

What is the process for getting on law review? Grades, write-on, or some combination?
75% of slots are a combination of grades and write-on (but grades are more heavily weighted). 25% of spots are purely reserved for write-on: basically the highest write-on scores that were not already accepted in the grades/write-on combo slots.
Is there a minimum GPA/rank that is usually considered competitive? (I'm a 1L)
I have no earthly idea. I know what my GPA was, but I don't know what the formula is or anything. I'll PM you.

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Post by bvest » Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:10 pm

I don't know where TLR competitiveness fell, but here are some graduating GPAs for the various graduation honors (keep in mind that grades go up some after 1L):

Honors Available
Highest Honors (Top 1%)
Chancellors (Top 16 students after 2L -- or is it after 3L fall?)
High Honors (Top 5%)
Order of the Coif (Top 10%)
Honors (Top 35%)

Undated Pre-Class of 2013 (source: rumor and innuendo)
Coif 3.76, 3.80
Honors 3.55, 3.59

Class of 2013 (source: NALP)
At graduation:
Coif 3.81
Honors 3.58

Class of 2014 (source: NALP)
At graduation:
Highest Honors 4.07
Chancellors 3.93
High Honors 3.89
Order of the Coif 3.81
Honors 3.58

Class of 2015 (source: a very reliable birdie)
After 2L
Top 25% 3.64
Top 50% 3.40
At graduation:
High Honors 3.91
Coif 3.82
Honors 3.59

Class of 2016 (source: another reliable birdie)
After 1L
Top 25% 3.63
Top 50% 3.37

Class of 2017 (source: NALP)
[Presumably at graduation, but undated]
Top 25% 3.66
Top 50% 3.46
Median GPA 3.45

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by BigZuck » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:15 am

Dat 3.58 honors cut off is giving me anxiety all over again

Thanks law school!

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by hookem » Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:34 pm

bvest wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:10 pm
I don't know where TLR competitiveness fell, but here are some graduating GPAs for the various graduation honors (keep in mind that grades go up some after 1L):

Honors Available
Highest Honors (Top 1%)
Chancellors (Top 16 students after 2L -- or is it after 3L fall?)
High Honors (Top 5%)
Order of the Coif (Top 10%)
Honors (Top 35%)

Undated Pre-Class of 2013 (source: rumor and innuendo)
Coif 3.76, 3.80
Honors 3.55, 3.59

Class of 2013 (source: NALP)
At graduation:
Coif 3.81
Honors 3.58

Class of 2014 (source: NALP)
At graduation:
Highest Honors 4.07
Chancellors 3.93
High Honors 3.89
Order of the Coif 3.81
Honors 3.58

Class of 2015 (source: a very reliable birdie)
After 2L
Top 25% 3.64
Top 50% 3.40
At graduation:
High Honors 3.91
Coif 3.82
Honors 3.59

Class of 2016 (source: another reliable birdie)
After 1L
Top 25% 3.63
Top 50% 3.37

Class of 2017 (source: NALP)
[Presumably at graduation, but undated]
Top 25% 3.66
Top 50% 3.46
Median GPA 3.45
Sweet, thank you! This is really nice to have.

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by [thinking emoji] » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:24 pm

BigZuck wrote:
Fri Feb 02, 2018 1:15 am
Dat 3.58 honors cut off is giving me anxiety all over again

Thanks law school!
lol @ trying after you got biglaw

i'm pretty sure i graduated at median, but had a sweet 2 year vacation before graduation

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by bvest » Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:34 pm

Because I'm a content-generating mo-fo. BTW, "2013" refers to OCI 2013, not to class year.


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Post by hookem » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:18 pm

bvest wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:34 pm
Because I'm a content-generating mo-fo. BTW, "2013" refers to OCI 2013, not to class year.

4.2 gpa....just when I thought I was feeling smart. Thank you for making this!

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Post by fee difficult » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:43 pm

bvest wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:34 pm
Because I'm a content-generating mo-fo. BTW, "2013" refers to OCI 2013, not to class year.

. . .
This is the range for interview selection, yes? Do you have data for any of the off-campus job fairs (e.g. NY, Boston, etc.)?

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Post by bvest » Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:51 pm

That’s all I have.

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Post by sev » Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:45 pm

bvest wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:51 pm
That’s all I have.
...how does one go about collecting data like this?

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Post by bvest » Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:29 pm

By being a pack rat who's been around for a while.

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Post by [thinking emoji] » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:19 pm

I think I have 2 of those spreadsheets, and the differences in GPA ranges for the same firms just 1 year apart are pretty significant.

Target big class sizes more than what those CSO spreadsheets say, in my opinion.

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Post by BigZuck » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:33 pm

[thinking emoji] wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:19 pm
I think I have 2 of those spreadsheets, and the differences in GPA ranges for the same firms just 1 year apart are pretty significant.

Target big class sizes more than what those CSO spreadsheets say, in my opinion.
(BigZuck stops updating closing checklist, looks at the median GPA for the firm he has been working at for a year and a half)

(Panics, vomits)

(Sends draft of the closing checklist to the other side, subject to further review and comment in all respects)

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by freshavocado » Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:20 pm

When is the ideal time to submit a scholarship reconsideration form? Also, have y'all ever heard of a scholarship increase with only offers from other Texas schools' scholarships listed?

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Post by [thinking emoji] » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:10 pm

If it's still a one-and-done type deal then send it after you have your best and final offers from competing schools. I haven't heard of increases based on other TX schools. I don't know if UT considers SMU/UH peer schools, so they might not budge.

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by emkay625 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:28 pm

hookem wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:18 pm
bvest wrote:
Tue Feb 06, 2018 4:34 pm
Because I'm a content-generating mo-fo. BTW, "2013" refers to OCI 2013, not to class year.

4.2 gpa....just when I thought I was feeling smart. Thank you for making this!
What are these, exactly? Preselects extended? Callbacks? Offers? I am asking because for any of the three, the data is wrong. Maybe accepted offers?

Edited to ask: is this based on what happened at 2013 OCI? Or is this the data that was given to us at 2013 OCI (and thus would have been based on 2012 OCI)? If it's the second, nevermind, I'm an idiot.

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Post by bvest » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:52 pm

The latter. And it was never clear whether these were preselects or offers.

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Post by HenryHankPalmer » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:44 am

freshavocado wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:20 pm
When is the ideal time to submit a scholarship reconsideration form? Also, have y'all ever heard of a scholarship increase with only offers from other Texas schools' scholarships listed?
Piggybacking off of this, are the reconsiderations handled on a rolling basis or do the collect them all and then issue all of the updated decisions at once?

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Post by [thinking emoji] » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:37 pm

Rolling basis, I believe.

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Post by emkay625 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:36 pm

Yup I would think it must be rolling. I submitted mind and then got a response like four hours later.

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Post by fritobeandip » Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:03 pm

emkay625 wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:36 pm
Yup I would think it must be rolling. I submitted mind and then got a response like four hours later.
Was the response positive?

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Post by emkay625 » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:44 pm

fritobeandip wrote:
Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:03 pm
emkay625 wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:36 pm
Yup I would think it must be rolling. I submitted mind and then got a response like four hours later.
Was the response positive?
I got about a 30 percent increase. But granted, that was five years ago, and I was a pretty extreme splitter. So my experience may not be similar to yours.

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Re: Univ of Texas School of Law students / grads taking questions

Post by RubyRhad » Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:59 pm

Did any of y'all choose UT over UVA? If so, why? Are you happy with your decision?

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Post by hookem » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:14 pm

Do any of y'all 2/3Ls or grads have any must take classes (or must avoid ones)?

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Post by emkay625 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:36 pm

hookem wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:14 pm
Do any of y'all 2/3Ls or grads have any must take classes (or must avoid ones)?
"Must take" really has three facets to it. There are classes that are easy As. There are classes that are interesting/the professor is awesome. And then there are classes that are actually helpful.

Easy As: Any writing seminar. Just check the grade distributions. Trial advocacy is also an easy A if you actually do the reading. People complain about that course being a black box, it's not. Do the reading and the exam is easy.
Interesting/Awesome Professor: Professor Goode is great. Also loved Professor Jenks's writing semniar on international humanitarian law. It was actually interesting. Election Law is an interesting course as well that I actually loved attending each week.
Helpful: If you plan on practicing in Texas, take Oil and Gas. Sokolow's BA course is great and teaches you everything you need to know for the bar. Also the advanced legal writing classes are good because they actually serve as practice for what it's like being a lawyer.

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