Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Stranger » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:43 am

MT Cicero wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:33 am
Northwestern - 75.6% (+6.6%)
Right, I think we had this conversation last year, but I just wanted to verify. For Biglaw, we're only counting full-time long-term employment. But for Federal Clerkships, I believe we determined that a clerkship with a term of less than a year would probably still carry all the benefits of having been a federal clerk, and we were counting them. This matters for Northwestern this year, it seems -- the previous poster had indicated a 76.0% BL/FC rate, based on counting that shorter term clerk. I'm inclined to keep doing so, unless you think there's a strong reason not to.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by MT Cicero » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:48 am

Stranger wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:43 am
MT Cicero wrote:
Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:33 am
Northwestern - 75.6% (+6.6%)
Right, I think we had this conversation last year, but I just wanted to verify. For Biglaw, we're only counting full-time long-term employment. But for Federal Clerkships, I believe we determined that a clerkship with a term of less than a year would probably still carry all the benefits of having been a federal clerk, and we were counting them. This matters for Northwestern this year, it seems -- the previous poster had indicated a 76.0% BL/FC rate, based on counting that shorter term clerk. I'm inclined to keep doing so, unless you think there's a strong reason not to.
Yep, I remember now. Will change mine to avoid confusion. It's likely someone with a 9-11 month clerkship, who should probably just put a year if it's about the start date and complete date not being *exactly* one year.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Dough-Bear » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:17 am

Then should vandy have two more fed clerks? Or am I doing something wrong?
Dough-Bear wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:09 am
Vandy c/o 2018 is out

179 grads
97 in Big Law = 54.189%
18 fed clerkships = 10.05 %

BL + FC = 115 / 179 = 64.245 %

https://law.vanderbilt.edu/2018-EmploymentSummary.pdf

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Nebby » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:25 am

CLASS OF 2018 DATA IS ROLLING OUT NOW

C/O 2019 below

80%+:
Virginia - 83.3% (+4.5%)
Penn - 80.2% (+1.7%)

70%+:
Chicago - 79.1% (-8.3%)
Northwestern - 76.0% (+7.0%)

60%+
Vanderbilt - 63.1% (-3.9%)

50%+:
Texas - 57.0% (+12.6%)
Fordham - 52.8% (+11.0%)

40%+:
UCLA - 48.4% (+7.9%)
Boston College - 46.5% (+4.4%)
Notre Dame - 43.4% (-1.5%)

30%+:
Emory - 38.8% (+6.9%)
UC Irvine - 36.0% (-5.7%)
Indiana - 34.2% (+9.3%)
William & Mary - 32.1% (+2.8%)

20%+:
Minnesota - 28.6% (+4.7%)
Ohio State - 28.6% (+5.0%)
Illinois - 27.5% (-4.2%)
Wake Forest - 26.3% (+6.0%)
Pittsburgh - 23.0% (+6.4%)
Iowa = 21.3% (+2.3%)

10%+:
Tennessee - 19.3% (+1.3%)
UC Davis - 19.2% (+2.4%)
LSU - 16.5%
Cleveland State - 14.8%
Colorado - 13.0% (+1.1%)
Marquette - 11.6%




C/o 2017 below

Percentage below is equal to # in biglaw (FT/LT in firms w/ 100+ attorneys) plus # in clerkships (federal) divided by total class size.

>80%
U. of Chicago - 87.4%
Columbia - 83.1%
Duke - 81.3%

>70%
U. of Virginia - 78.7%
U. of Penn - 78.5%
Cornell - 76.7%
Harvard - 75.9%
Stanford - 75.1%
NYU - 74.4%
U. of Michigan - 70.9%

>60%
Northwestern - 69.0%
Berkeley - 67.2%
Vanderbilt - 67.0%
Yale - 63.4%

>50%
Georgetown - 58.8%

>40%
WUSTL - 49.2%
Notre Dame - 44.9%
U. of Texas - 44.3%
USC - 44.0%
Boston College - 42.0%
Boston U. - 41.9%
UCI - 41.7%
Fordham - 41.7%
UCLA - 40.5%

>30%
George Washington U. - 32.1%
Howard - 32.0%
Emory - 31.9%
U. of Illinois - 31.7%
North Carolina - 31.3%

>20%
William and Mary - 29.3%
Alabama - 29.0%
SMU - 28.0%
U. of Indiana - 24.9%
Wash. & Lee - 24.2%
Minnesota - 23.9%
Ohio State - 23.6%
Georgia - 23.2%
Temple - 21.7%
West Virginia - 20.8%
UC-Hastings - 20.7%
Tulane - 20.6%
U. of Florida - 20.4%
Wake Forest - 20.3%
Baylor - 20.0%

>10%
U. Washington - 19.8%
Brooklyn - 19.6%
Cardozo - 19.5%
Iowa - 19.0%
Cincinnati - 18.6%
Villanova - 18.2%
Richmond - 18.1%
Tennessee - 18.0%
Loyola Chi - 18.0%
George Mason - 17.8%
U. of Houston - 17.7%
Georgia State - 17.4%
UC Davis - 16.8%
Pittsburgh U. - 16.7%
Case Western - 16.7%
Loyola LA - 16.4%
Kentucky - 15.9%
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U. of Miami - 15.8%
Wisconsin - 15.7%
UConn - 15.0%
Maryland - 14.3%
BYU - 13.8%
Santa Clara - 13.2%
American - 12.9%
Chicago-Kent - 12.6%
Penn State U. Park - 12.3%
Northeastern - 12.0%
Colorado - 11.9%
Missouri - 11.8%
Pepperdine - 11.7%
Oklahoma - 11.5%
New Hampshire - 11.5%
UNLV - 10.9%
Arizona State - 10.6%
Utah - 10.3%
Arizona - 10.2%
Syracuse - 10.1%
South Carolina - 10.1%
Rutgers - 10.0%

See awesome spreadsheet compiling C/O 2012-2016 data below:
Stranger wrote:
Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:43 pm
C/O 2012-2016 Employment Spreadsheet!

I've been poking at the stats on LST, and felt like compiling five years of them into one place. I arbitrarily included every school that made the USNWR top 50 in the past five years, but if someone wants to add more, I'll give you access to edit.

The biglaw cutoff is firms of 100+ lawyers, and I've cut the private practice numbers into two groups along that line (rather than trying to suss out the meanings of midlaw, shitlaw, and boutique). Perhaps I should have separated out the solos, but that's another day's project.

All non-federal clerkships are groups together. I have ignored the Education category. The under-employment score is lifted directly from LST. The bar passage rate is the total passage reported on LST.

Numbers for the most recent four class sizes are enrollment, rather than graduation, and you can expect those to shift, notably increasing up top. I felt it worthwhile to show these in order to give readers context for when a year might represent an outlier due to class size.

Download your own copies of this, and generate outcome-based rankings to reflect your own priorities to your heart's content.
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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Stranger » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:22 am

Dough-Bear wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:17 am
Then should vandy have two more fed clerks? Or am I doing something wrong?
Dough-Bear wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:09 am
Vandy c/o 2018 is out

179 grads
97 in Big Law = 54.189%
18 fed clerkships = 10.05 %

BL + FC = 115 / 179 = 64.245 %

https://law.vanderbilt.edu/2018-EmploymentSummary.pdf
I'm getting that, too.

Correction:
Vanderbilt - 64.2% (-2.8%)

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by MT Cicero » Sun Apr 07, 2019 11:55 am

Edited: n/a
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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Poseidon » Sun Apr 07, 2019 4:09 pm

Nice jump up for NU. Those UVA numbers tho ❤️. This isn’t helping my decisionmaking

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Stranger » Mon Apr 08, 2019 7:56 am

Washington & Lee - 25.7% (+1.5%)

Also, 86.7% FTLT Bar Passage, which is up 6.9%.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Dough-Bear » Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:57 pm

WashU 52.1%

BigLaw 96/209 = 45.9%
FC 13/209 = 6.2%

https://7gxsl10eqdj9anba1k3swtoo-wpengi ... y-2018.pdf

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by MT Cicero » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:04 pm

Dough-Bear wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:57 pm
Just updating for format (and rounding):

WUSTL - 52.2% (+3.0%)

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by UVALawStudent2020 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:45 pm

Michigan 67.7% (-3.2%)

https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2018.pdf

(I can't figure out how to hyperlink)

Edit: Math
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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by MT Cicero » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:49 pm

UVALawStudent2020 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:45 pm
Michigan 67.6% (-3.2%)

https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2018.pdf

(I can't figure out how to hyperlink)
Here you go:

Michigan - 67.7% (-3.2%)

Also, I'm tracking 67.7 (rounded) rather than 67.6, which still gives a -3.2 from last year.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Stranger » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:50 pm

UVALawStudent2020 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:45 pm
Michigan 67.6% (-3.2%)

https://www.law.umich.edu/careers/class ... of2018.pdf

(I can't figure out how to hyperlink)
Michigan - 67.6% (-3.2%)

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by UVALawStudent2020 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:51 pm

Thank you! And yes, you're correct (my bad)

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by MT Cicero » Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:56 pm

UVALawStudent2020 wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:51 pm
Thank you! And yes, you're correct (my bad)
Btw, strong first post bringing the Mich numbers.

In case you're posting more in here and want to know how to make the link look like we do, just clink the link (chain links) symbol in the editor, which will give you the beginning/end urls. Then make it look like this (brackets will replace parens in the real thing)

(url=https...........edu)School Name - XX%(/url)

Basically, just adding an = sign and the link within the first bracket and putting the text you want to appear between the brackets. I had to google it last year. I do not know this stuff at all generally.
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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2018 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by UVALawStudent2020 » Mon Apr 08, 2019 2:51 pm

Ahhh thank you, that makes sense! I didn't use the = sign when I first tried it!



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