Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by DankHill » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:32 pm

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Stranger » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:53 pm

Northwestern - 74.6% (+3.3%)
Fordham - 50.4% (+1.7%)
William & Mary - 30.2% (+8.0%)

(Arizona Law has made its report available, but falls at less than 10%, so I leave it to those who care to seek it out.)

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by 64Fl » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:00 pm

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Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:53 pm
Northwestern - 74.6% (+3.3%)
As a Northwestern grad, the 2020 report is pretty wild. The BL+FC number is up, which is cool and all, but 15 students were unemployed and seeking work. That's up from 3 students in 2019 and 4 students in 2018. The pandemic obviously created some losers in this mess.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by waldorf » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:22 pm

Stranger wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:29 pm
Georgetown - 61.6% (+5.8%)
WUSTL - 57.4% (+5.1%)
Georgia - 29.7% (-3.5%)
Illinois - 30.9% (-9.0%)
Wash U has been showing significant improvement the past few years. Wonder why.

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Post by Stranger » Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:52 pm

64Fl wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:00 pm
Stranger wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:53 pm
Northwestern - 74.6% (+3.3%)
As a Northwestern grad, the 2020 report is pretty wild. The BL+FC number is up, which is cool and all, but 15 students were unemployed and seeking work. That's up from 3 students in 2019 and 4 students in 2018. The pandemic obviously created some losers in this mess.
As an unemployed 3L staring down graduation with maybe one real shot at employment before then (barring a pleasant surprise), I feel that about the pandemic creating some losers.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by waldorf » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:13 pm

DankHill wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:02 pm
waldorf wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:22 pm
Stranger wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:29 pm
Georgetown - 61.6% (+5.8%)
WUSTL - 57.4% (+5.1%)
Georgia - 29.7% (-3.5%)
Illinois - 30.9% (-9.0%)
Wash U has been showing significant improvement the past few years. Wonder why.
Dean Clifford's strategy of "throw money at everyone" has attracted a corps of solid students, I think. But honestly, I doubt that would really translate into relative changes in placement unless Wash U joined the T13.
Well, it certainly attracted me. I was too debt averse and jumped at a full ride and stipend.

I assume as more alumni become people with a say in the matter at firms, firms may be seeking out more Wash U students.

Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone from my school who worked at my firm before I did (which is not super prestigious or anything, they just mainly recruit from the T14 and Texas schools—I was shocked when I got an interview since they don’t do OCI at my school and no Wash U alums worked there), and now they are giving out offers to Wash U students regularly (well, they did in the two hiring seasons since I was hired). Maybe Wash U is getting more visibility.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by 64Fl » Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:46 pm

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Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:13 pm


Well, it certainly attracted me. I was too debt averse and jumped at a full ride and stipend.

I assume as more alumni become people with a say in the matter at firms, firms may be seeking out more Wash U students.

Anecdotally, I don’t know of anyone from my school who worked at my firm before I did (which is not super prestigious or anything, they just mainly recruit from the T14 and Texas schools—I was shocked when I got an interview since they don’t do OCI at my school and no Wash U alums worked there), and now they are giving out offers to Wash U students regularly (well, they did in the two hiring seasons since I was hired). Maybe Wash U is getting more visibility.
Yeah, WashU has had really encouraging employment stats for several years now. This certainly isn't a fluke.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2019 rolling out + C/O 2012-2017 data

Post by Stranger » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:46 pm

DankHill wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:02 pm
waldorf wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:22 pm
Stranger wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:29 pm
Georgetown - 61.6% (+5.8%)
WUSTL - 57.4% (+5.1%)
Georgia - 29.7% (-3.5%)
Illinois - 30.9% (-9.0%)
Wash U has been showing significant improvement the past few years. Wonder why.
Dean Clifford's strategy of "throw money at everyone" has attracted a corps of solid students, I think. But honestly, I doubt that would really translate into relative changes in placement unless Wash U joined the T13.
It does appear to have been part of a trend that stabilized a grouping just below the T13, though. Georgetown, Vanderbilt, UCLA, WashU, Texas, and USC have been growing more alike in terms of BL+FC placement and rankings over the past decade or so. Fordham, Notre Dame, BC, and BU are arguably similar in outcomes, but don't enjoy the same sort of USNWR respect.

WashU has gone from placing low single-digit percentages into federal clerkships to now exceeding 10%. That's a big deal, any way you cut it, and it doesn't appear to be a quirky or regional thing like you see at, say, Alabama or Washington and Lee, but part of an overall trend of success in job placements. Outright bad outcomes are rather low, outright good outcomes are consistently over 50%, and both of those things seem to be stable.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by waldorf » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:55 pm

I did notice that my class (2020) seemed to have a large number of federal clerkships. I only personally knew two people still unemployed pre-Covid (so like March 2020) and both were at the bottom of the class (so I’d heard).

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Post by DankHill » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:49 pm

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by sev » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:02 pm

Duke's is out. https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2020.pdf

(I would do the calculations for you but I don't remember what BL is considered--250+?)

Only one unemployed, but fed clerk numbers dropped way back down to 25.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Stranger » Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:18 pm

sev wrote:
Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:02 pm
Duke's is out. https://law.duke.edu/sites/default/file ... ss2020.pdf

(I would do the calculations for you but I don't remember what BL is considered--250+?)

Only one unemployed, but fed clerk numbers dropped way back down to 25.
We've traditionally used 101+ in this thread, so Duke checks in at 79.0%.


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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by sev » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:18 am

DankHill wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:00 am
Dang, what happened to NYU? 7 points seems like more than statistical noise or self-selection. (Perhaps it's a combination of both).
Definitely looks like self-selection. They sent 94 folks to public interest, up from 74 and 61 in 2019 and 2018. That's a huge percentage of the class.



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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by pancakes3 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:50 pm

maybe the boost in clerkship numbers tied to R's finally filling vacancies?




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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Kümmel » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:34 am

Man Carodozo really is like king of the trap schools.

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