Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by icechicken » Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:59 am

Kümmel wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:34 am
Man Carodozo really is like king of the trap schools.
Dozo has the GW problem of being an average-strength fish in a massive pond.

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Kümmel » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:02 am

Idk about that. Cardozo has half the numbers of GW now. It’s also not really a respected PI school (you might as well go to CUNY). So it’s just so strange to me that people continue to pay to go there

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Post by DankHill » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:18 am

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Post by DankHill » Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:25 am

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Stranger » Tue Apr 20, 2021 11:06 am

DankHill wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 10:18 am
Yeah, wouldn’t necessarily call 18.8 BLFC “average strength.” Still below average, even graded on the curve of the NYC market.
18.8 isn't just average, it's above average. There's a whole lot of schools that don't even punch in at 10% in a typical year. Cardozo has the disadvantage of proximity to three really good schools, at least in terms of average placement. The fair comparison isn't so much GW as American. I hadn't gotten that far in my digs yet, but American had a 16.4% BLFC rate last year.


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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Stranger » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:03 pm

We're now far enough along that I can present my rolling averages for the bulk of the schools that consistently place at least a quarter of their class in BLFC jobs. I might be missing a few around the edges, and I'm definitely missing this year's data for Howard, which is usually part of this group. The weighted average I present is 40%/25%/15%/10%/10% for the last five years. I will also give the raw average for comparison. So, this list will read, <school> (<weighted>/<raw>), listed in order of weighted average. Make of it what you will, but these probably give a better picture of these results over time.

Chicago (83.8/82.6)
Columbia (83.1/83.0)
Virginia (80.8/80.0)
Duke (79.0/79.0)
Penn (78.7/78.7)
Cornell (75.1/75.3)
Stanford (74.5/75.2)
Harvard (73.0/73.9)
Northwestern (72.8/71.9)
NYU (69.5/71.8)
Michigan (67.9/68.1)
Berkeley (67.5/66.8)
Yale (64.9/65.6)
Vanderbilt (61.5/61.9)
Georgetown (58.7/57.7)
Wash U (53.3/51.3)
Texas (52.0/50.4)
USC (51.4/47.4)
UCLA (50.9/47.8)
Notre Dame (48.8/46.1)
Fordham (48.6/47.2)
BC (46.1/44.8)
BU (45.6/44.1)
GW (36.3/35.3)
Emory (34.9/34.3)
Irvine (34.6/34.7)
Illinois (33.2/33.2)
UNC (32.6/31.3)
W&L (31.5/29.2)
Iowa (30.8/27.3)
Alabama (29.3/27.2)
Indiana (28.9/27.9)
Ohio State (28.8/27.6)
Wake Forest (28.7/25.9)
Georgia (28.3/26.5)
Minnesota (28.2/26.8)
William & Mary (27.8/27.6)
SMU (27.7/26.7)

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by DankHill » Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:27 am

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Re: Employment Statistics by School - C/O 2020 rolling out + C/O 2012-2019 data

Post by Stranger » Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:57 am

DankHill wrote:
Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:27 am
I wonder if there's a way to account for self-selection of HYS folks into elite PI, government, and other "unicorn" and top-flight outcomes. There may not be anything measurable. But maybe it's moot as BL+FC could easily be 100 percent at each of those schools if every student aimed for one of those two outcomes.
In the past, I've experimented with making my own employment based rating system. The kludge I arrived at was to separate out the 501+ jobs from the 101-500 jobs, and count 501+ and federal clerkships at a slightly higher rate from 101-500 jobs. I then treated Gov/PI about the same as 101-500, except at schools with LRAPs, where they got boosted (and more for the really good LRAPs). There were a few other factors like total employment and not having underemployed grads. That wound up with a tight cluster up top of Stanford, Yale, Chicago, and Harvard, I think in that order (it's been a while), which seems pretty accurate. Maybe after graduation I'll get those numbers up to date and run the calculations again (maybe normalizing with a weighting factor for years when a school had larger or smaller classes).

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