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Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:52 pm
by cavalier1138
Slytherpuff wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:42 pm
negusdahabesha wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:15 pm
Slytherpuff wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:20 pm
I never used a broker in NYC, I know they're helpful especially if you're on a time crunch, but you can absolutely find a place without one. I think unfortunately 80x is more common than 40x, but that would be your combined income. You can also have a guarantor if you absolutely need one (although you're often limited to using a guarantor that's in the area).

Any helpful tips or reliable websites to use if you're trying to avoid using a broker? And how do students not from the New York area generally handle the guarantor thing then? I don't have any family over there and 80x New York City rent is a lot of money...
I just used Craigslist, Streeteasy, or Zillow when I was looking at apartments. Sometimes the apartment will be listed by a broker anyway and you still might get roped into paying their fees, but you can still try. The guarantor thing is rough. I mostly stuck with places on Craigslist where I didn't need one, but my one stint in an apartment where I needed a guarantor was thankfully on the lower end of the spectrum and didn't require someone local, so my dad just barely made enough to qualify. If they ask for 80x guarantor, I'd talk to them about your situation and let them know the kind of financial aid money/loans you have coming in. Maybe they'll waive it, maybe you'll just have to find an apartment that doesn't have an insanely high guarantor requirement.

Did anyone on here have luck negotiating about their guarantor?
I was able to use an out-of-state guarantor (parent). I think it probably fell into the "lower end of the spectrum" you're talking about. But if I remember correctly, there are guarantors-for-hire in NYC, because of course there are.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:21 am
by NYUBound
negusdahabesha wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 5:15 pm
Slytherpuff wrote:
Mon Apr 08, 2019 12:20 pm
I never used a broker in NYC, I know they're helpful especially if you're on a time crunch, but you can absolutely find a place without one. I think unfortunately 80x is more common than 40x, but that would be your combined income. You can also have a guarantor if you absolutely need one (although you're often limited to using a guarantor that's in the area).

Any helpful tips or reliable websites to use if you're trying to avoid using a broker? And how do students not from the New York area generally handle the guarantor thing then? I don't have any family over there and 80x New York City rent is a lot of money...
Another note on guarantors - I've heard that people sometimes negotiate paying extra months up-front in exchange for waiving the guarantor requirement. In theory, prepaying a semester wouldn't be a problem since we get our loans each semester in a single disbursement, though 1) this doesn't come til late August, and 2) you'd have to be extra careful about getting scammed. Alternatively, there are companies that will sign as a guarantor for ~1 month's rent if you have good credit.

I ended up doing a sublet this year and it's worked out really well. Few subleases will ask for a guarantor or anything. Found mine on Craigslist, but you can also use roomiapp.com. There are some others (Roomster?) but I didn't find much luck with them.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Thu May 30, 2019 11:41 pm
by George Marshall
Anyone know approximately when incoming 1Ls can expect to get housing assignments? Will be emailed about it or do we need to check the housing platform? I haven't been able to find this on the internet anywhere. Thanks!

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 11:06 am
by Slytherpuff
George Marshall wrote:
Thu May 30, 2019 11:41 pm
Anyone know approximately when incoming 1Ls can expect to get housing assignments? Will be emailed about it or do we need to check the housing platform? I haven't been able to find this on the internet anywhere. Thanks!
Way back in 2014 I received mine over email on June 11th, but I'm not sure if that's still the trend five years later. You'll definitely be emailed yours though!

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:57 pm
by industwetrust
Haven't been around much because 1L is enough on it's own, but rising 2L checking in, happy to answer questions. I love it here.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:43 pm
by negusdahabesha
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Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:29 pm
by industwetrust
negusdahabesha wrote:
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:43 pm
Now that class schedules have been released, when is it appropriate to start asking about professors? Asking for a friend...
I'll help with what I can, fire away

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:09 pm
by negusdahabesha
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Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:58 am
by industwetrust
negusdahabesha wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:09 pm
Any insights on Nueborne or Gillette? Also is it a decent strategy to prioritize black letter law classes over P/F lawyering?
Have heard generically good things about both, particularly Gillette. And yes, Lawyering will take tons of your time regardless but you shouldn't make it a priority at all. You'll learn a lot if you put in a decent amount of effort, but I wouldn't kill yourself working on that class, which it is very very possible to do. The weeks where Lawyering is busy will make you feel like you're drowning as it is, so trying to smoothen that out will be helpful to you. But the only time you should be prioritizing it are when you have a major assignment due and you literally don't have enough of it done to turn it in. Which happens to quite a few people at one point or another.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:13 am
by NYUBound
+1 to the above. Keep in mind that the research and writing assignments in Lawyering are probably the most relevant things you'll do in 1L for developing skills you'll actually use as a lawyer, at least if you litigate. Some people totally write the class off, but there's real value to doing the work. I probably put in 85% of the time I would have if the class were graded and felt reasonably pleased with the work I produced.

Also, for anyone curious about professors, you should have access to Course Evals now! https://its.law.nyu.edu/courseeval/inde ... udent.main

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:42 pm
by John Roberts
1) Is there anywhere we can find data on past years' EIWs? (Like, firm GPA cut-offs/medians, etc.) I'm assuming we're going to get some information prior to EIW but I've been rummaging through the CSM database and haven't found anything like this.

2) This might be a stupid question, but I haven't been able to find the answer: what are the dates for journal write-on for this year? Related - Is it going to take full time for all or most of the days allotted? Can it be done remotely? I'm trying to figure out what dates to tell my summer employer for when I can start work.

Many thanks!

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:27 am
by stego
John Roberts wrote:
Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:42 pm
1) Is there anywhere we can find data on past years' EIWs? (Like, firm GPA cut-offs/medians, etc.) I'm assuming we're going to get some information prior to EIW but I've been rummaging through the CSM database and haven't found anything like this.

2) This might be a stupid question, but I haven't been able to find the answer: what are the dates for journal write-on for this year? Related - Is it going to take full time for all or most of the days allotted? Can it be done remotely? I'm trying to figure out what dates to tell my summer employer for when I can start work.

Many thanks!
They will give you some information later on in the semester at a presentation for all the 1Ls. As I recall some of the information on firms is confidential so they'll tell you verbally but they won't put it on the powerpoint.

I don't know the exact dates of write-on but it'll be about two weeks starting shortly after finals ends. You won't need to work on it full time for all/most of the days allotted, but it is time-consuming so it's better to start early. You can do it remotely.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:49 pm
by Slytherpuff
1) Yes, I think we were told about firm's grade cut-offs in an event at the beginning of April (although that was 5 years ago, so they may have adjusted the event's timing since then).
2) You can do the write-on in the evenings after work and on the weekend. No need to ask for a late start date at work. You can do it remotely, I did mine while working abroad.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:35 pm
by John Roberts
Brilliant. Thank you both!

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:13 pm
by John Roberts
So, OCI has been switched to January 2021. Does anyone have any insight on GPA-boosting strategies wrt course selection during the fall of 2L? Easy A classes, etc., or classes where, at the very least, your GPA will be roughly proportionate to the work you put in?
Also - clinics. Good or bad idea for 2L fall?
From what I've seen, seminars should probably be avoided, correct?
Thanks all!

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:52 pm
by Slytherpuff
John Roberts wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:13 pm
So, OCI has been switched to January 2021. Does anyone have any insight on GPA-boosting strategies wrt course selection during the fall of 2L? Easy A classes, etc., or classes where, at the very least, your GPA will be roughly proportionate to the work you put in?
Also - clinics. Good or bad idea for 2L fall?
From what I've seen, seminars should probably be avoided, correct?
Thanks all!
I don't know if it's being offered this fall, but for my PR class I took "Ethics in Government" and it was an easy A- (although I don't know anyone who got an actual A). Check out prior grade distributions and reviews for classes/instructors, there may still be some seminars that are easier. Specialty classes that have papers instead of finals are probably a good idea unless you didn't have a writing-heavy undergrad major. And then in general, think of the classes you did best in during 1L fall and pick out courses that have similar final set-ups (whether that means a closed book in-person exam, in-person exam that's fully open book, or a take-home final).

Normally I'd say clinics would be fantastic, but they take up a LOT of your time and it's hard to prioritize your other classes, so I would probably wait until spring to do a clinic or a simulation.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:41 pm
by John Roberts
Slytherpuff wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:52 pm
John Roberts wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:13 pm
So, OCI has been switched to January 2021. Does anyone have any insight on GPA-boosting strategies wrt course selection during the fall of 2L? Easy A classes, etc., or classes where, at the very least, your GPA will be roughly proportionate to the work you put in?
Also - clinics. Good or bad idea for 2L fall?
From what I've seen, seminars should probably be avoided, correct?
Thanks all!
I don't know if it's being offered this fall, but for my PR class I took "Ethics in Government" and it was an easy A- (although I don't know anyone who got an actual A). Check out prior grade distributions and reviews for classes/instructors, there may still be some seminars that are easier. Specialty classes that have papers instead of finals are probably a good idea unless you didn't have a writing-heavy undergrad major. And then in general, think of the classes you did best in during 1L fall and pick out courses that have similar final set-ups (whether that means a closed book in-person exam, in-person exam that's fully open book, or a take-home final).

Normally I'd say clinics would be fantastic, but they take up a LOT of your time and it's hard to prioritize your other classes, so I would probably wait until spring to do a clinic or a simulation.
Thank you, this is very helpful! I didn't realize grade distributions were publicly available - checking those out now. Makes sense - I'll plan to take a clinic in the spring semester instead.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 pm
by NYUBound
Slytherpuff wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:52 pm
John Roberts wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:13 pm
So, OCI has been switched to January 2021. Does anyone have any insight on GPA-boosting strategies wrt course selection during the fall of 2L? Easy A classes, etc., or classes where, at the very least, your GPA will be roughly proportionate to the work you put in?
Also - clinics. Good or bad idea for 2L fall?
From what I've seen, seminars should probably be avoided, correct?
Thanks all!
I don't know if it's being offered this fall, but for my PR class I took "Ethics in Government" and it was an easy A- (although I don't know anyone who got an actual A). Check out prior grade distributions and reviews for classes/instructors, there may still be some seminars that are easier. Specialty classes that have papers instead of finals are probably a good idea unless you didn't have a writing-heavy undergrad major. And then in general, think of the classes you did best in during 1L fall and pick out courses that have similar final set-ups (whether that means a closed book in-person exam, in-person exam that's fully open book, or a take-home final).

Normally I'd say clinics would be fantastic, but they take up a LOT of your time and it's hard to prioritize your other classes, so I would probably wait until spring to do a clinic or a simulation.
^^This is all excellent advice.

Look at the grade distributions first, but definitely take into account your own idiosyncrasies. I learned 1L that I'm great at fast-paced issue spotters, and terrible at take homes/word limited exams. Sadly, I didn't take that into account when planning semester.

And for sure take Ethics in Government for your PR credit--pretty sure the A tier is above 50%.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:27 pm
by John Roberts
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Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:06 pm
by NYUBound
John Roberts wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:27 pm
NYUBound wrote:
Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 pm
Slytherpuff wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:52 pm
John Roberts wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:13 pm
So, OCI has been switched to January 2021. Does anyone have any insight on GPA-boosting strategies wrt course selection during the fall of 2L? Easy A classes, etc., or classes where, at the very least, your GPA will be roughly proportionate to the work you put in?
Also - clinics. Good or bad idea for 2L fall?
From what I've seen, seminars should probably be avoided, correct?
Thanks all!
I don't know if it's being offered this fall, but for my PR class I took "Ethics in Government" and it was an easy A- (although I don't know anyone who got an actual A). Check out prior grade distributions and reviews for classes/instructors, there may still be some seminars that are easier. Specialty classes that have papers instead of finals are probably a good idea unless you didn't have a writing-heavy undergrad major. And then in general, think of the classes you did best in during 1L fall and pick out courses that have similar final set-ups (whether that means a closed book in-person exam, in-person exam that's fully open book, or a take-home final).

Normally I'd say clinics would be fantastic, but they take up a LOT of your time and it's hard to prioritize your other classes, so I would probably wait until spring to do a clinic or a simulation.
^^This is all excellent advice.

Look at the grade distributions first, but definitely take into account your own idiosyncrasies. I learned 1L that I'm great at fast-paced issue spotters, and terrible at take homes/word limited exams. Sadly, I didn't take that into account when planning semester.

And for sure take Ethics in Government for your PR credit--pretty sure the A tier is above 50%.
Thank you! It's a bit tricky to tell because all of my exams thus far have been open book, in-class. But the classes I did best on were those where the course expectations were clearest. I did okay overall (3.6x) but I'd like to improve.

Totally unrelated, but looking at grade distributions - In one of my 1L classes, a whopping 10% got B- or lower. Can't imagine getting hit with a C or worse first semester. Incoming 1Ls: take heed, don't fuck around.
That's unbelievable--I can't believe a 1L professor would give anyone a grade below B-. For any 0Ls reading this, this is really an anomaly. (Just peeked to see who the professor was. No surprise it's the guy they didn't let teach 1Ls last year.) Only one other grade below B- was given between all the other first semester profs combined.

Also, for the record, 3.6x is well beyond "okay"--congrats on the strong performance! Obviously depends on the last digit there, but that should be good for top quartile. It's always good to shoot for improvement, but you're already on track for a top firm/competitive clerkship/etc.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:26 pm
by John Roberts
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Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:33 pm
by nylawyer
Luckily the B- curve is being eliminated in the fall.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:29 pm
by John Roberts
How necessary/important is Corporations in 2L for someone wanting to go into biglaw? Especially for someone with no business / corporate background otherwise. I was thinking about not bothering with corporations, because there are a lot of other, more interesting looking classes I'd like to take. But I don't want to get side-eyed at OCI in January.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 10:58 pm
by Slytherpuff
John Roberts wrote:
Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:29 pm
How necessary/important is Corporations in 2L for someone wanting to go into biglaw? Especially for someone with no business / corporate background otherwise. I was thinking about not bothering with corporations, because there are a lot of other, more interesting looking classes I'd like to take. But I don't want to get side-eyed at OCI in January.
Not necessary at all. Firms won't notice at all if you don't take it. I think it can be helpful if you go into big law, but honestly I learned more studying for the bar than I did in my Corporations class.

Re: NYU Students/Grads Taking Questions

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:02 pm
by Suzy39528
Is the environment at NYU more intense/competitive than other T14 schools? Would you say being at the middle bottom of class at NYU is still better off than being middle or top of class at a Fordham?