Dropping Out and Reapplying

[blueapple]

should i merge this thread with the car thread now?

[WEED_QUESTIONER_420]

idk like if your lease is up and you need a car, and you really want the AMG model and can swing the added cost, but due to allocation/supply issues you can’t get one for maybe another year so you settle for the still very nice, less exciting model, I can see being a little bummed knowing that you settled on a car that wasn’t quite what you wanted performance wise and still plunked down a lot of money to do so.

Uhh yeah. Except in this case, it's more like I could have taken an Aston Martin but went for a refurbished 60's VW instead and it's kind of shitty inside and requires constant maintenance and will never be as nice or reliable or fast or good in any was as the Aston.

I feel like everyone is minimizing the difference between HYS and CCN.

[Nony]

And we feel like you’re overstating it? CCN aren’t the car in your analogy (if they are, I’m not even in ggocat’s 1993 Honda, I’m standing by the side of the road with my thumb out).

Again, I get not liking your school, but I think you are dwelling on the bad rather than recognizing that CCN are pretty amazing institutions wrt results for their grads.

[Nony]

(Also: not sure why YS are in the picture here bc it doesn’t sound like they were ever even options.)

[Brushedsuedeluvr]

idk like if your lease is up and you need a car, and you really want the AMG model and can swing the added cost, but due to allocation/supply issues you can’t get one for maybe another year so you settle for the still very nice, less exciting model, I can see being a little bummed knowing that you settled on a car that wasn’t quite what you wanted performance wise and still plunked down a lot of money to do so.

Uhh yeah. Except in this case, it's more like I could have taken an Aston Martin but went for a refurbished 60's VW instead and it's kind of shitty inside and requires constant maintenance and will never be as nice or reliable or fast or good in any was as the Aston.

I feel like everyone is minimizing the difference between HYS and CCN.

Oh my god, just get out of the car then.

[jeff chiles]

idk like if your lease is up and you need a car, and you really want the AMG model and can swing the added cost, but due to allocation/supply issues you can’t get one for maybe another year so you settle for the still very nice, less exciting model, I can see being a little bummed knowing that you settled on a car that wasn’t quite what you wanted performance wise and still plunked down a lot of money to do so.

Uhh yeah. Except in this case, it's more like I could have taken an Aston Martin but went for a refurbished 60's VW instead and it's kind of shitty inside and requires constant maintenance and will never be as nice or reliable or fast or good in any was as the Aston.

I feel like everyone is minimizing the difference between HYS and CCN.

Shit in this analogy my school is like a totally destroyed Nissan pulsar parked in the grass in front of the high school to remind kids not to DWI after prom.

[heythatslife]

I feel like everyone is minimizing the difference between HYS and CCN.

Because the difference IS minimal. Dude, you're like a guy who's whining that he would have gotten laid if only he had an Audi A5 instead of an A4. Yeah, the A5 is slightly nicer but maybe the car is not the reason you're not getting laid.

ETA: Am an H grad but would have taken CCN without much hesitation if any of them were presented as a significantly cheaper option.

[Nony]

idk like if your lease is up and you need a car, and you really want the AMG model and can swing the added cost, but due to allocation/supply issues you can’t get one for maybe another year so you settle for the still very nice, less exciting model, I can see being a little bummed knowing that you settled on a car that wasn’t quite what you wanted performance wise and still plunked down a lot of money to do so.

Uhh yeah. Except in this case, it's more like I could have taken an Aston Martin but went for a refurbished 60's VW instead and it's kind of shitty inside and requires constant maintenance and will never be as nice or reliable or fast or good in any was as the Aston.

I feel like everyone is minimizing the difference between HYS and CCN.

Shit in this analogy my school is like a totally destroyed Nissan pulsar parked in the grass in front of the high school to remind kids not to DWI after prom.

[ggocat]

ETA: Am an H grad but would have taken CCN without much hesitation if any of them were presented as a significantly cheaper option.

I'm not sure that undercuts OPs point because he/she didn't mention CCN was significantly cheaper.

Personally, if I'm spending $50k on a Mercedes, you best believe I'll toss in another $5k for some upgrades. (But again, I'll take the hoopty for $2k instead).

[app]

I feel like everyone is minimizing the difference between HYS and CCN.

Because the difference IS minimal. Dude, you're like a guy who's whining that he would have gotten laid if only he had an Audi A5 instead of an A4. Yeah, the A5 is slightly nicer but maybe the car is not the reason you're not getting laid.

ETA: Am an H grad but would have taken CCN without much hesitation if any of them were presented as a significantly cheaper option.

any idea how many cross-admits choose to go H over Col and vice-versa each class at h and col?

[heythatslife]

ETA: Am an H grad but would have taken CCN without much hesitation if any of them were presented as a significantly cheaper option.

I'm not sure that undercuts OPs point because he/she didn't mention CCN was significantly cheaper.

Personally, if I'm spending $50k on a Mercedes, you best believe I'll toss in another $5k for some upgrades. (But again, I'll take the hoopty for $2k instead).

How are we saying different things? If I'm paying 50k anyway for a Mercedes (a T6 law degree), and the upgrades (the perceived benefits of attending H as opposed to CCN) are 5k, then sure I'll take the upgrades. But if the differential is more like extra 50k, the barebones Mercedes starts to look like the more attractive option.

I'll grant that the OP didn't specifically mention CCN was the cheaper option. But my point is that there isn't something radically/qualitatively different about H vs. CCN that I wouldn't have traded away if there was enough cash on the table.

[jeff chiles]

Fordham is like a 7500 mile/year base A3 lease

[ggocat]

Yeah, we agree there's a certain point where CCN over HYS is a good decision. The car example perhaps relates to other posts of people saying there's not a huge difference between CCN and HYS. I think there is more than a 10% difference (e.g., $5K add on to $50K car). I don't think it's negligible, but at some point when you're making an extravagant purchase like law school, you might as well go all out. Or go the other direction, like I did, and get the cheap beater car.

(I was never admitted to CCNHYS so take that with a grain of salt).

[Jubo]

Dude, you're like a guy who's whining that he would have gotten laid if only he had an Audi A5 instead of an A4. Yeah, the A5 is slightly nicer but maybe the car is not the reason you're not getting laid.

Best analogy ITT.

YS and H should not be lumped together when discussing outcomes and value proposition tbh.

To be more helpful, H is materially different from CCN if you're a TOP student (like magna H will have a better shot at certain jobs/clerkships than magna CCN), but median H and median CCN might as well be Honda Accord v Toyota Camry.

If OP took H over CCN at equal cost, then okay I get the lamentations, but why make that decision in the first place? I'm still confused about what's "immoral" about choosing a certain law school. OP presumably chose CCN because it was a lot cheaper, which is the right decision.

[icechicken]

My fan theory is that OP picked Chicago over Harvard for the better per-capita clerkship numbers and especially the supposed conservative-judge pipeline that produces those higher numbers. I can see why a 2L looking back might find that immoral.

Maybe OP fell in with these people: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/201 ... ool-called.

[ggocat]

OP presumably chose CCN because it was a lot cheaper, which is the right decision.

OP said they chose CCN for "idiosyncratic and psychologically twisted personal reasons." If CCN was a lot cheaper than H, there's no reason to hide the ball with such a cryptic explanation.

[lolwat]

This is getting kind of insane. As far as general outcomes go, CCN is definitely not that much worse compared to H, and in some ways I think it's even better? (Chicago for clerkships, Columbia for general employment stats, and NYU for public interest?)

Also, there's a big gap between simply regretting not going to H because it's supposedly a "better school" that would have opened up more opportunities than CCN, and calling that choice "immoral" and absolutely hating the CCN school for very personal reasons it seems none of us can truly figure out. I'm with icechicken here only because, of the things that would drive someone to be this emotional about an institution, I can only really think of politics.

[heythatslife]

My pet theory is that OP snubbed H to stick it to his parents who really wanted him to go there (hence repeated emphasis on "twisted" and "immoral")

[icechicken]

My pet theory is that OP snubbed H to stick it to his parents who really wanted him to go there (hence repeated emphasis on "twisted" and "immoral")

OP is the parents!

[app]

i understand that everyone's situation is different and one can't generalize, but shouldn't op be able to find some kind of solace by talking with other classmates who may have declined H for his school?

one of the factors is that op thinks he is older. unless op is late 30s or more he should be able to find some way to connect with these other students. or does that not happen much at these schools?

[ggocat]

Probably won't connect because those other students are probably happy with their decisions.

unless op is late 30s or more he should be able to find some way to connect with these other students.

Well now I feel old.

[lolwat]

i understand that everyone's situation is different and one can't generalize, but shouldn't op be able to find some kind of solace by talking with other classmates who may have declined H for his school?

Along with the possibility that other students are happy with their decision, this also feeds into my belief OP's problem isn't just the fact of declining H for CCN but is rooted in something else that he can't talk with other classmates about.

one of the factors is that op thinks he is older. unless op is late 30s or more he should be able to find some way to connect with these other students. or does that not happen much at these schools?

Is that really a problem these days? Most of my friends during law school were older students in their mid-late 30s, and I was a K-JD.

[WEED_QUESTIONER_420]

They were the same cost for me; up front, H's aid package was slightly more, but H has that policy of constantly recalculating aid. Because I have some passive income that I rely on to live off of ("passive income" carries a connotation of wealth that I don't enjoy, but that's the proper label), and planned on/will be doing big law at least 2L summer, I assumed the cost was roughly the same.

i understand that everyone's situation is different and one can't generalize, but shouldn't op be able to find some kind of solace by talking with other classmates who may have declined H for his school?

The only people I know at my CCN who were accepted here vs. H are people who got this school's full tuition scholarship. For them, it would have been dumb to go to H lol.

[haus]

Probably won't connect because those other students are probably happy with their decisions.

unless op is late 30s or more he should be able to find some way to connect with these other students.

Well now I feel old.

As someone born during the Nixon administration, I resemble this remark.

[app]

Is that really a problem these days? Most of my friends during law school were older students in their mid-late 30s, and I was a K-JD.

i don't see it as one (i hope it's not), but i don't discount that law schools like t6 may be full of gunners with people acting very competitive with each other. i've heard similar things about some top mba programs.