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Tue May 01, 2018 12:33 pm
Good points above, especially about bootcamps.
On the start-up point, it's less the fact that they're unknown until they make it and more that there are a lot of them who don't offer equity and either don't pay or offer $10k stipends. Great for the founders if they make it, possibly necessary for bootcamp grads who should be open to anything that let's them put more programming on their resume/portfolios, but if I see a lot of bootcamp grads going to small, unknown start-ups that haven't even gotten a first round of funding yet, I would suspect that a lot of them couldn't find anything else, and factor that into the bootcamp's placement claims.
The programmers that "couldn't find anything else" were not going to find anything better anyways, no matter where they went to bootcamp or got their degree from. Until they get a better understanding of algorithms and data structures, that's just the way it is. They're just going to fail their technical interview rounds over and over. Again, it's much different than legal hiring - not sure why people don't get that concept. You don't magically just luck out into whatever is the equivalent of a Vault 10 software firm because of your degree and OCI. You have to pass technical interview rounds. Your bootcamp or degree won't do this for you. Plenty of people bomb these.
Many PhD holdovers bomb these, but college dropouts can pass.
As for the startups, "small, unknown start-ups" don't take away from the quality of the actual startup. Depending on the startup and what their tech is, they might actually require extremely talented software engineers
. You're betting on the startups tech, not the immediate payoff. If you want immediate payoff, then go to an established company like Amazon.
And if you're a good SWE and the startup has sophisticated tech, you'll get your equity because they need you. So many people got fired from Uber after their scandals, except for Thuan Pham. If you're responsible for and drive a sophisticated startup's tech, you're close to as irreplaceable as can be in today's job market.
If they're not paying you and not offering you equity, even after funding rounds then sorry you're just not that important to them and you're just not that good. Even the Masseuse at Google's stock was worth over a million and the dude who painted FB's walls got hundreds of millions worth of equity. Maybe the Founders don't even really like the people you described. If they're in the situation you described, that's not the bootcamp's fault, that's their fault.
It's easy to make excuses (blame the bootcamp, blame the university, blame the school ranking, blame oversupply, blame OCI, blame false bootcamp placement numbers, blame startup founders, blame the startup) because it's a very, very common thing that law students like to do. The great and awful thing about something so math based like programming is, it's really on you most of the time. Clear as day when something you've done doesn't work because the compiler will tell you or people will stare blankly at you during your interview.
If you want to play the blame game like typical law students on law forums do, go ahead. Maybe write a blog about how awful the placement numbers are and how expensive bootcamp tuition is. Maybe create a website called ProgrammingSchoolTransparency.com. Or whine about it on a CS forum somewhere. Not going to help you get paid or your equity though.