CS career megathread / AMA

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Post by app » Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:30 am

It would be interesting to know what poster rustyshackelfordd decided to do. i think he was considering a switch to law or had already switched.
it looks like once companies begin to open up after shutdown, there would be lots more career switches.
anyone here waiting for things to open up?

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Post by wizzy » Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:00 am

app wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:30 am
It would be interesting to know what poster rustyshackelfordd decided to do. i think he was considering a switch to law or had already switched.
it looks like once companies begin to open up after shutdown, there would be lots more career switches.
anyone here waiting for things to open up?
You mean once offices open up?

I'm not sure why SWEs would switch careers at a higher rate now when they can be fully remote (other industries have less flexibility for WFH) and tech stocks are at ATHs (other industries suck for equity based comp).

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Post by app » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:08 pm

wizzy wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:00 am
app wrote:
Fri Nov 05, 2021 11:30 am
It would be interesting to know what poster rustyshackelfordd decided to do. i think he was considering a switch to law or had already switched.
it looks like once companies begin to open up after shutdown, there would be lots more career switches.
anyone here waiting for things to open up?
You mean once offices open up?

I'm not sure why SWEs would switch careers at a higher rate now when they can be fully remote (other industries have less flexibility for WFH) and tech stocks are at ATHs (other industries suck for equity based comp).
yeah, i meant once offices open up. the turnover (moving to different employer) at sw companies seems to be much higher than pre-pandemic times.
i for one would like for things to be somewhat similar to what it was before, instead of remote.

in my current company, it's the most job reqs i have seen open in a long time, but not enough people to fill them.

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Post by app » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:10 pm

Recently also decided to leave my current company. initially it was supposed to RTO in summer this year, but now the earliest is early next year.

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Post by app » Fri Nov 12, 2021 8:19 pm

wizzy wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:00 am
You mean once offices open up?

I'm not sure why SWEs would switch careers at a higher rate now when they can be fully remote (other industries have less flexibility for WFH) and tech stocks are at ATHs (other industries suck for equity based comp).
how is the preference for wfh/remote versus onsite in other industries/law?

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Post by app » Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:18 pm

A different recruiter from a previous company contacted. Planning to take the offer this time.

**This thread seems much quieter than in the past. Or is the site in general less active?

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Post by haus » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:19 am

Congrats app, I hope that the new role works out nicely for you

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Post by app » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:32 pm

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Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:19 am
thx tbh i expect it to be rough in the beginning, based on some of the stories i've heard. last time didn't have good fb recruiter experience, different than this time.
i heard they are revamping their perf appraisal system from every 6 months to once per year. that could make it more bearable.


in general the job market seems hotter than i've seen in the past. are you planning to change job? you moved from tech to jd?

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Post by haus » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:27 pm

I took my current job almost a year ago on the promise that once my bar membership became final it would be a dual hat role (director of security stuff and in-house counsel). On the bright side, they “promoted” me as promised, but within a month of the promotion the CEO changed his mind. It seems that he decided he did not want anyone at the org to have an attorney title, because he thinks it is “dangerous”. So my title was changed to remove in-house counsel.

I have been mildly looking and have two promising leads. A small law firm (~20 attorneys) that is focused on cybersecurity and data privacy has expressed interest in me for a role as a incident response attorney. The other option is a role with a fed agency that I used to work for. They have a 15 slot that was created when my old job (leading SOC/CSIRT as a 14) was broken into two parts, this new role adds an emphasis to adapting process. And procedure for incident response related to regulation and guidance from various agencies. The later is not a attorney job, but the jd does not hurt.

If neither of these comes through by the end of January I will likely start looking for something more aggressively.

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Post by app » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:33 pm

haus wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:27 pm
I took my current job almost a year ago on the promise that once my bar membership became final it would be a dual hat role (director of security stuff and in-house counsel). On the bright side, they “promoted” me as promised, but within a month of the promotion the CEO changed his mind. It seems that he decided he did not want anyone at the org to have an attorney title, because he thinks it is “dangerous”. So my title was changed to remove in-house counsel.

I have been mildly looking and have two promising leads. A small law firm (~20 attorneys) that is focused on cybersecurity and data privacy has expressed interest in me for a role as a incident response attorney. The other option is a role with a fed agency that I used to work for. They have a 15 slot that was created when my old job (leading SOC/CSIRT as a 14) was broken into two parts, this new role adds an emphasis to adapting process. And procedure for incident response related to regulation and guidance from various agencies. The later is not a attorney job, but the jd does not hurt.

If neither of these comes through by the end of January I will likely start looking for something more aggressively.
your current role as dir of security, is it mainly tech/security-sw development or is it more like product or something else pertaining to business law?

do you prefer to move into more law/jd role now from tech? i'd assume with all the developments that are going on in tech, there would be similar increase in demands for lawyers who know both, or is that false?

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Post by haus » Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:20 pm

My current role is with a credit union. The job covers a lot of ground, I am responsible for the implementation, maintenance and monitoring or our security stack (think Firewalls, DNS filtering, end point security, IDS/IPS, SIEM), work with IT on patch management/vulnerability assessment, help establish baselines for configurations and arrange to test compliance with same.

We just went through our audit by NCUA, in prep for that I worked with vendors who performed a variety of test (pen test, social engineering, etc…). Also spent a lot of time working with insurance companies as we were looking for options on cyber insurance.

Much of our internal policy related to IT/InfoSec was boiler plate documents bought from a vendor and little of it has been modified to reflect the realities within the org. So I spend quite a bit of time in replacing these documents with things that are not fiction.

We have an in-house development team, but it is fairly small. We work with them to ensure that the code they produce is run through static and dynamic code review before it goes into production.

So far this year I have spent time reviewing the new privacy laws in Virginia and California, looking at guidance and regulation from agencies repeated to changes in incident notification. Then advising the executive team on the changes we need to make as well as suggesting a path forward to allow

In large part I enjoy the work that I do, in a new job I would like to stay involved at some level with the tech, but leveraging my legal education more would be nice.

I do think there is a need for more attorneys who have experience/understanding of security operations. But you will not see job postings for a person who has years (or decades) of InfoSec experience and are also an attorney because it is not the way that law firms think, and is is extremely unlikely to find such a person through the traditional law firm hiring funnels.

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Post by app » Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:07 pm

credit union means not for profit, right? approx how many hours per week you end up working?

it seems to me that with the influx of AI tech in almost every aspect of human life over the next decade or so, there is going to be a lot of change in legal system and a need for people who write/understand them in the AI context. how does legal community see impact of AI?

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Post by app » Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:09 pm

accepted offer. plan to join fb early next year.

i've heard a good deal about their cafes and free food, but it looks like it may not be open during the shutdown.

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Post by haus » Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:48 pm

Yes, it is a not for profit. Most weeks I am usually close to 45 hours, although from time to time the hours can spike considerably.

Congrats on the new role with fb app!

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Post by effdee » Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:08 pm

app wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 6:09 pm
accepted offer. plan to join fb early next year.

i've heard a good deal about their cafes and free food, but it looks like it may not be open during the shutdown.
maybe they're moving it to VR

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Post by app » Sat Dec 11, 2021 12:59 pm

It looks like they have opened some cafes on campus.
But Google I think closed all free food during shutdown.

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Post by wizzy » Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:14 pm

G and fb both have some cafes open, but I think you need to be assigned a desk in the office to be able to go in (so you can't just show up to any office and badge in like you could before)

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Post by app » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:32 pm

wizzy wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:14 pm
G and fb both have some cafes open, but I think you need to be assigned a desk in the office to be able to go in (so you can't just show up to any office and badge in like you could before)
interesting. does it mean that for that one has to be working from office, not wfh?

i'd heard that g/fb let you invite guests on site for food to show them the campus. i wanted to use that to invite some people i know for free food/lunch. does that still work or some limitations?

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Post by wizzy » Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:41 pm

app wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:32 pm
wizzy wrote:
Sat Dec 11, 2021 1:14 pm
G and fb both have some cafes open, but I think you need to be assigned a desk in the office to be able to go in (so you can't just show up to any office and badge in like you could before)
interesting. does it mean that for that one has to be working from office, not wfh?

i'd heard that g/fb let you invite guests on site for food to show them the campus. i wanted to use that to invite some people i know for free food/lunch. does that still work or some limitations?
I think the policy is that if you're assigned to the office and upload proof of vaccination, then you can badge into that office anytime. If you're fully remote, then you're supposedly limited to visiting your local office a couple times per month. Not sure if/how they actually plan to enforce that. And not sure if they'll relax that in the future to the old policy where you can visit all offices.

Before, you could invite guests for free food a few times per month (although I always heard it was a soft limit that wasn't really enforced). I think that during covid, they've said no guests to try to limit the number of people in the office. My guess is that applies across the US, but you should check your local office's policy because different states have different covid risk levels that might affect how many people are allowed in at a time.

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Re: CS career megathread / AMA

Post by suralin » Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:52 pm

interviewing super broadly rn, have 10+ onsites scheduled will update w results. mix of big tech + AV & ML startups (think nuro and scale ai) + other unicorns

and yeah my friends at FB report the same re: the fully remote office badge-in restriction

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Re: CS career megathread / AMA

Post by effdee » Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:34 pm

a client semi-jokingly offered to hire me in an architect role. should i go for it

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Post by wizzy » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:46 pm

suralin wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:52 pm
interviewing super broadly rn, have 10+ onsites scheduled will update w results. mix of big tech + AV & ML startups (think nuro and scale ai) + other unicorns

and yeah my friends at FB report the same re: the fully remote office badge-in restriction
Damn that's awesome, good luck. You targeting remote?

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Re: CS career megathread / AMA

Post by wizzy » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:46 pm

effdee wrote:
Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:34 pm
a client semi-jokingly offered to hire me in an architect role. should i go for it
Go for it and ask for a breakfast equity match

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Post by app » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:50 pm

*pls don't quote

running into quite a dilemma.
talked with manager about the offer outside and how it's higher. he said company may give a counter offer.
but hr says they need to see offer letter. so everything got stalled.
Isn't offer letter a confidential document for the purposes of NDA from the external company?
Is it legal to share external offer with current company and protected by labor market laws?

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Re: CS career megathread / AMA

Post by haus » Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:01 pm

I doubt that there is any legal obligation not to share the offer letter.

But if you step back for a moment, I question what value there is in providing it. Unless you are super happy with your current job I would advise you to think long and hard about staying.

If nothing else, they are clearly telling you that they do not trust you, as they are insisting on seeing the offer letter that you have. In reality the offer letter is a non-factor, you have decided that you want more from them then your are currently receiving, and if you do not get more than you will leave. What should matter is the value that you place on your time not what another organization does.

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