Big Law to Government Procurement

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Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Anon42342342 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:41 pm

I am thinking of leaving big law for a job in procurement with an intelligence agency. I am a less than a year in but know this is not what I want to do long term and I already have a lot of $$$ saved up with minimal student loans. Does anyone have experience in procurement, whether this would be a good move, or any other thoughts? Thanks!

The new job would have flexible 8 hour work days (I can choose when I start and finish within a certain time frame) and would start at the equivalent of a GS11.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by pancakes3 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:48 pm

doesn't seem like a good idea. even if you're for sure not going to practice law again (not just BL) it doesn't seem like a good idea.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Anon34242 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:54 pm

pancakes3 wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:48 pm
doesn't seem like a good idea. even if you're for sure not going to practice law again (not just BL) it doesn't seem like a good idea.
do you mind explaining why?

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Story » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:27 pm

I think Pancakes is concerned that you’re going into a non-lawyer GS 11 federal job.

Would this be a lawyer job?

(If you go do a non-lawyer job, it may close off a lot of future legal careers in the future.)

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by BlendedUnicorn » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:37 pm

idk procurement sounds like a sweet gig to me. back when i was in the army all the infantry officers who didn't want to stick around and try for a battalion command job would angle to rebranch procurement after their company command time was up bc it was widely seen as a path to easy and lucrative gigs in the private sector. granted, the standard for "lucrative" is different for infantry officers and for BL lawyers, but should be able to spend some time in the system, presumably get a clearance, and then take your knowledge of gov procurement to the private sector for $$$$$$. Or stay in the fedgov for 30 years and coast.

That being said, all of the value you'd be adding would be derived from having a working knowledge of an arcane bureaucratic mess of a system (to arguably immoral ends). So, you know, consider whether that's what you want in life. But deploying a working knowledge of an arcane bureaucratic mess of a system to arguably immoral ends is also a fair description of law, so probably not much of a change there.

Finally, there's some risk that procurement reform renders your skill set obsolete. But that would require a functional congress, so you're probably safe there.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by pancakes3 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:41 pm

I just don't think exiting to a JD-adjacent GS-11 gig after 9 months in BL makes sense, even if you hate your BL life. But absent more information, I can't say more than that it doesn't seem to be optimal.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Story » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:47 pm

If OP’s procurement job with the feds is a lawyer job, then I think it is fine move to that job.

After working a few years in the procurement job, you can lateral to other random lawyer jobs in other random federal agencies (probably not prestigious ones).

I think you’re looking for a cushy law job with a 9-5 lifestyle, so if that’s your goal, a procurement lawyer job would be a good way to further that goal. As long as you’re OK just making regular gov salary.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Story » Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:49 pm

BlendedUnicorn wrote:
Thu Jun 17, 2021 5:37 pm
Finally, there's some risk that procurement reform renders your skill set obsolete. But that would require a functional congress, so you're probably safe there.
Yeah…..that could happen in almost any legal field.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Anon424234 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:23 pm

OP here - it is not a JD-required job, but I will be starting at GS11 because of my JD. What really appealed to me about the job was that it seems really nice for work life balance. You can clock in and out whenever you want as long as you get 40 hours a week, you can use 3 hours of work time a week to go to the fitness center, federal holidays off, no weekend, and the other usual fed gov benefits.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Nony » Thu Jun 17, 2021 6:45 pm

Is the job itself something you actually want to do, or at least think you wouldn't hate? I know basically nothing about procurement (and from what I can tell, it sounds incredibly boring to me, but 1) that's totally subjective and 2) boring is better than actively miserable), but it sounds a little like you want to go to this because you hate biglaw, and because you like the working conditions, but not because the actual work of the job appeals to you. Again, that may be more than enough for you - I don't at all think you have to find your passion! and follow your dreams! so if you want to pick based on hours and benefits that's a legit choice. I just worry about going from the frying pan into the fire and whether not wanting to be in biglaw is the same as wanting to do this job, when it will probably set you on a particular path.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Story » Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:21 pm

If you take this non-JD job, you are going to severely limit your chances of ever getting a lawyer job in the future, especially in the private sector.

Just keep that in mind.

Does your GS job have potential to be promoted in place without needing to apply?
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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:07 am

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Hennessy » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:24 am

idk that sounds pretty sweet
if you don't like being a lawyer I'd say go for it

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by pancakes3 » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:27 am

Yeah. GS11 is like $60-70k. $100k + bonus is a lot better.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:48 am

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Story » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:48 am

Is the NFCU job going to be as cushy as an average fed gov job? I thought you wanted cushy.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:53 am

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Nony » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:40 pm

If you’re fine with the nature of the work (it isn’t going to make you claw your eyes out with boredom or frustration or anything) and you’re not really interested in sticking with legal practice, it sounds great to me. I have a hard time seeing them making you stay late or work weekends.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:40 pm

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:41 pm

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by heythatslife » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:20 pm

If you’re comfortable with closing off future prospects of attorney roles in your career, I’d say this looks like a pretty sweet gig. Hell, I know former biglaw midlevels who left for in-house legal gigs that pay less than that so they could have a 9-5 job. Usually I would tell people to approach retail banking roles with caution because it’s subject to vagaries of the market and branch closures/consolidations but military-adjacent credit unions are probably the most immune to that.

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by proteinshake » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:31 pm

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by Story » Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:17 am

Sounds like a sweet job. If you don’t wanna ever be a lawyer again, take the job.

(You Probably wanna scrub this page of identifying information. Like the Linkedin link.)

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Post by proteinshake » Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:59 pm

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Re: Big Law to Government Procurement

Post by pancakes3 » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:01 pm

congrats! i hope you're taking a month off to travel or something. a 9-5 is still 9-5.

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