July 2018 California Bar Exam

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Stirfry » Wed May 30, 2018 11:10 am

So how much are people studying for the CA specific essays?

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by KernKraft » Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 pm

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Tue May 22, 2018 1:11 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 9:33 am
Can someone explain how the grading works compared to the UBE? How many questions do you need right to get a 1440 on the mbe?
It differs from exam to exam and is determined by the NCBE. To get the CA equivalent, take the scaled MBE score (the conversation table which they don't publish anymore but I'll see if I can find an old copy at home) and multiply by 10. If you get 144 scaled, then you're on track to passing (i.e., assuming you do well enough to get to 1440 on written, about 62.5 raw points on average). This is around 125-135 questions correct historically.

You can read more about grading on the CA bar website.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... a-Bar-Exam
http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... on/Scaling
When you say 125-135 do you mean out of the old 190 or 175? Because 135/175 (77%) looks a little depressing.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

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KernKraft wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 pm
a male human wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:11 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 9:33 am
Can someone explain how the grading works compared to the UBE? How many questions do you need right to get a 1440 on the mbe?
It differs from exam to exam and is determined by the NCBE. To get the CA equivalent, take the scaled MBE score (the conversation table which they don't publish anymore but I'll see if I can find an old copy at home) and multiply by 10. If you get 144 scaled, then you're on track to passing (i.e., assuming you do well enough to get to 1440 on written, about 62.5 raw points on average). This is around 125-135 questions correct historically.

You can read more about grading on the CA bar website.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... a-Bar-Exam
http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... on/Scaling
When you say 125-135 do you mean out of the old 190 or 175? Because 135/175 (77%) looks a little depressing.
Ah yes, based on the old 190. They haven't released any useful information about scaling and whatnot in years.

135/190 would be even more depressing if you think 77% is (which it isn't... I think it's a great score).

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by KernKraft » Thu May 31, 2018 1:56 pm

a male human wrote:
Thu May 31, 2018 12:56 pm
KernKraft wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 4:26 pm
a male human wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 1:11 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Tue May 22, 2018 9:33 am
Can someone explain how the grading works compared to the UBE? How many questions do you need right to get a 1440 on the mbe?
It differs from exam to exam and is determined by the NCBE. To get the CA equivalent, take the scaled MBE score (the conversation table which they don't publish anymore but I'll see if I can find an old copy at home) and multiply by 10. If you get 144 scaled, then you're on track to passing (i.e., assuming you do well enough to get to 1440 on written, about 62.5 raw points on average). This is around 125-135 questions correct historically.

You can read more about grading on the CA bar website.

http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... a-Bar-Exam
http://www.calbar.ca.gov/Admissions/Exa ... on/Scaling
When you say 125-135 do you mean out of the old 190 or 175? Because 135/175 (77%) looks a little depressing.
Ah yes, based on the old 190. They haven't released any useful information about scaling and whatnot in years.

135/190 would be even more depressing if you think 77% is (which it isn't... I think it's a great score).
Got it. By depressing I meant "causing depression in the bar taker" lol. Anyway, good to know that we don't need to get a 77% on the MBE to get a 1440 scaled.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Stirfry » Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:33 pm

Is a farm animal considered a wild animal or domesticated?

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Opoponax » Wed Jun 06, 2018 12:50 am

Stirfry wrote:
Tue Jun 05, 2018 3:33 pm
Is a farm animal considered a wild animal or domesticated?
Domesticated, and therefore not inherently dangerous, unless the owner knows the animal has dangerous propensities, e.g. an especially aggressive hamster that's bitten people before. In such a case, if the owner allows someone to handle the ferocious hamster, and the hamster chomps* into the person, then the owner will be strictly liable.

Of course, vicious dogs, that tiger that Mike Tyson kept in his backyard, etc. are considered inherently dangerous and owner will be strictly liable.

I've run into a couple questions regarding domestic animals being let out by third parties that have caused harm. According to my [Barbri] source, the owner of the animal isn't liable in such cases because they weren't negligent--someone else was. Neither question has addressed the liability of the person who let out the animal though, but it seems like negligence would be the COA.

*This is no joke. When I was kid we had a hamster that bit into my brother's finger and he bled like you wouldn't believe.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by onlyoncemore » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:56 pm

Helloooo fellow lawschoollifers.
Stirfry wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 11:10 am
So how much are people studying for the CA specific essays?
I've only done CA Evidence essay and i suck balls at it right now. Hope you're doing more! I heard CA ev. is likely to be on this time around. fuck.
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Does Themis use actual MBE questions or do they use their own questions? Some of these seem kind of poorly written.
I believe Themis doesn't use real MBE questions

Anyways, I am studying for this stupid exam again. But I'm also working full time. fully in fuck-my-life mode right now. Really seriously don't have a life right now, but I also actually don't mind that too much... :?

I am able to squeak out 25~40MBE's and an essay every other day. Majority of the time is spent going over the wrong answers to the MBE's and trying to memorize those for the day. During the weekends though, I try to do a fully day of studying. So far that's happened only 3 times... usually it's half a day. I just can't do a full 10hrs or something insane like that on Sat/Sunday anymore. But I am not having a meltdown and panic about this... I can't tell if that is good or not. Maybe/probably will have one later. Shit.

My Adaptibar score is above group average; though that's not really surprising since most people aren't probably using this hardcore yet and I've had a full 2months of Adaptibar before most July takers.

Just wanted to jump in and update + see how everyone's doing.
Let's pass this stupid fucking test.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Opoponax » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:10 am

onlyoncemore wrote:
Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:56 pm
Helloooo fellow lawschoollifers.
Stirfry wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 11:10 am
So how much are people studying for the CA specific essays?
I've only done CA Evidence essay and i suck balls at it right now. Hope you're doing more! I heard CA ev. is likely to be on this time around. fuck.
FrogNToad wrote:
Mon May 21, 2018 2:00 pm
Does Themis use actual MBE questions or do they use their own questions? Some of these seem kind of poorly written.
I believe Themis doesn't use real MBE questions

Anyways, I am studying for this stupid exam again. But I'm also working full time. fully in fuck-my-life mode right now. Really seriously don't have a life right now, but I also actually don't mind that too much... :?

I am able to squeak out 25~40MBE's and an essay every other day. Majority of the time is spent going over the wrong answers to the MBE's and trying to memorize those for the day. During the weekends though, I try to do a fully day of studying. So far that's happened only 3 times... usually it's half a day. I just can't do a full 10hrs or something insane like that on Sat/Sunday anymore. But I am not having a meltdown and panic about this... I can't tell if that is good or not. Maybe/probably will have one later. Shit.

My Adaptibar score is above group average; though that's not really surprising since most people aren't probably using this hardcore yet and I've had a full 2months of Adaptibar before most July takers.

Just wanted to jump in and update + see how everyone's doing.
Let's pass this stupid fucking test.
That's tough. I'm lucky enough that my boss gave me the time off to study for this again. OTOH, I'm broke as broke can be, and surviving off the goodwill of others. Never did I imagine that having three degrees, including a law degree, would mean that I am so utterly unqualified to do anything but practice law. What-the-fuck-ever.

All I can suggest is to make your study time count. Not that you needed that advice, I'm sure you're quite aware of it already. On the bright side, I don't think the essays are going to be as brutal this time around. There's always going to be at least one "WTF is this about?" type of essay, but nowhere near as bad as February.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Stirfry » Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am

Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by a male human » Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm

Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am
Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?
https://one-timers.com/one-timers-bar-exam-calculator/

Just using this as a calculator, if you get 168/200 on the MBE, you can get 40s on everything else and pass
158/200 if you want to shoot for an average raw written score of 45

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by FrogNToad » Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm

a male human wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am
Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?
https://one-timers.com/one-timers-bar-exam-calculator/

Just using this as a calculator, if you get 168/200 on the MBE, you can get 40s on everything else and pass
158/200 if you want to shoot for an average raw written score of 45
That's based on the old 190 question exam right? 168/175 is almost perfect.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Stirfry » Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:58 pm

FrogNToad wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm
a male human wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am
Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?
https://one-timers.com/one-timers-bar-exam-calculator/

Just using this as a calculator, if you get 168/200 on the MBE, you can get 40s on everything else and pass
158/200 if you want to shoot for an average raw written score of 45
That's based on the old 190 question exam right? 168/175 is almost perfect.
Yeah I don’t understand that calculator.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by justanotheruser » Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:36 am

Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:58 pm
FrogNToad wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm
a male human wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am
Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?
https://one-timers.com/one-timers-bar-exam-calculator/

Just using this as a calculator, if you get 168/200 on the MBE, you can get 40s on everything else and pass
158/200 if you want to shoot for an average raw written score of 45
That's based on the old 190 question exam right? 168/175 is almost perfect.
Yeah I don’t understand that calculator.
On the MBE portion of the calculator, you should input as though it's out of 175. For example, Joe Seperac calculated that I got 71-72% correct on the MBEs. For that field, I multiplied .715*175 (to get 125) and added 3 to input 128 in the MBE box of the calculator to match my July '17 score. Sorry if that sounds confusing, but that's how I got it to work for me.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by FrogNToad » Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:01 pm

justanotheruser wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:36 am
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:58 pm
FrogNToad wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm
a male human wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am
Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?
https://one-timers.com/one-timers-bar-exam-calculator/

Just using this as a calculator, if you get 168/200 on the MBE, you can get 40s on everything else and pass
158/200 if you want to shoot for an average raw written score of 45
That's based on the old 190 question exam right? 168/175 is almost perfect.
Yeah I don’t understand that calculator.
On the MBE portion of the calculator, you should input as though it's out of 175. For example, Joe Seperac calculated that I got 71-72% correct on the MBEs. For that field, I multiplied .715*175 (to get 125) and added 3 to input 128 in the MBE box of the calculator to match my July '17 score. Sorry if that sounds confusing, but that's how I got it to work for me.
So that calculator doesn't use scaled scores, but raw scores? Doesnt the scaling add 13-15 points on top of your raw?

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Opoponax » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:57 pm

Anyone know where to get a lot of mixed set MBE questions? I have a good 350 in my Barbri book, and that's fine. But I'm gonna run out relatively quick at doing just 25 day (two weeks worth). I have several Emmanuel books, but they're not mixed. I suppose I could book mark each section and then flip to each section per question, but that's kind of a PITA.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by Stirfry » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:59 pm

Opoponax wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:57 pm
Anyone know where to get a lot of mixed set MBE questions? I have a good 350 in my Barbri book, and that's fine. But I'm gonna run out relatively quick at doing just 25 day (two weeks worth). I have several Emmanuel books, but they're not mixed. I suppose I could book mark each section and then flip to each section per question, but that's kind of a PITA.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

AdaptiBar.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by justanotheruser » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:36 am

You know what? I may not have taken all that into consideration. I'm not very good at the maths, lol.
FrogNToad wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 4:01 pm
justanotheruser wrote:
Sat Jun 16, 2018 1:36 am
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 10:58 pm
FrogNToad wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 1:22 pm
a male human wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 12:20 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Fri Jun 15, 2018 11:28 am
Still thinking about desert fox’s thread. Do we have any idea how many MBE questions we would need to auto pass?
https://one-timers.com/one-timers-bar-exam-calculator/

Just using this as a calculator, if you get 168/200 on the MBE, you can get 40s on everything else and pass
158/200 if you want to shoot for an average raw written score of 45
That's based on the old 190 question exam right? 168/175 is almost perfect.
Yeah I don’t understand that calculator.
On the MBE portion of the calculator, you should input as though it's out of 175. For example, Joe Seperac calculated that I got 71-72% correct on the MBEs. For that field, I multiplied .715*175 (to get 125) and added 3 to input 128 in the MBE box of the calculator to match my July '17 score. Sorry if that sounds confusing, but that's how I got it to work for me.
So that calculator doesn't use scaled scores, but raw scores? Doesnt the scaling add 13-15 points on top of your raw?

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by JakeTapper » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:46 pm

Anyone care to tell me how the grading will be scaled if you're just taking the Attorney's Exam? I'm confused as to how these x/100 get to a scaled score and what I need to do in terms of points to pass. Not that it really matters to my studying. The extremely low pass rate on the Attorney's Exam blows my mind. Thanks Central District California for making me do this.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by KernKraft » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:00 pm

JakeTapper wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:46 pm
Anyone care to tell me how the grading will be scaled if you're just taking the Attorney's Exam? I'm confused as to how these x/100 get to a scaled score and what I need to do in terms of points to pass. Not that it really matters to my studying. The extremely low pass rate on the Attorney's Exam blows my mind. Thanks Central District California for making me do this.
Where's Joe Seperac?

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JakeTapper wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:46 pm
Anyone care to tell me how the grading will be scaled if you're just taking the Attorney's Exam? I'm confused as to how these x/100 get to a scaled score and what I need to do in terms of points to pass. Not that it really matters to my studying. The extremely low pass rate on the Attorney's Exam blows my mind. Thanks Central District California for making me do this.
Historically, getting a 60-65 raw on average got you a 1440 written scaled score. So aim to get a 65 on each one, or 65 on average across your essays and PT.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by horriblegb » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:16 am

JakeTapper wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:46 pm
Anyone care to tell me how the grading will be scaled if you're just taking the Attorney's Exam? I'm confused as to how these x/100 get to a scaled score and what I need to do in terms of points to pass. Not that it really matters to my studying. The extremely low pass rate on the Attorney's Exam blows my mind. Thanks Central District California for making me do this.
You must be fed as well. I had to take Feb 18 for that reason. Not really sure about scoring or scaling, but I know because it was so subjective I elected to take the general exam instead.

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by JakeTapper » Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:10 pm

horriblegb wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:16 am
JakeTapper wrote:
Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:46 pm
Anyone care to tell me how the grading will be scaled if you're just taking the Attorney's Exam? I'm confused as to how these x/100 get to a scaled score and what I need to do in terms of points to pass. Not that it really matters to my studying. The extremely low pass rate on the Attorney's Exam blows my mind. Thanks Central District California for making me do this.
You must be fed as well. I had to take Feb 18 for that reason. Not really sure about scoring or scaling, but I know because it was so subjective I elected to take the general exam instead.
Ugh. I've seen people saying thats the way to go but I just can't stomach it. I genuinely hate multiple choice and consider myself a good to great essay exam writer. It's been 5 years since I took a different bar and have no idea how I fared re: multiple choice v. essay, so I just went with the Attorney's exam. The pass rate is daunting as well.

Am going fed though, yes. I applied to positions all over the country, and interviewed in a ton. I think CDCAL and one other were the only ones that require state bar passage. Of course, I got that one. C'est la vie.

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Post by horriblegb » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:01 pm

Congrats on the job! But it really is a personal decision. I kept my results from the past and saw that I did really well on the multiple choice so that sealed the deal for me. The bummer is that there is no way to know if that was necessary or not. Either way, you just have to take the test you think you have the best chances of passing!

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by JakeTapper » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:39 pm

horriblegb wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:01 pm
Congrats on the job! But it really is a personal decision. I kept my results from the past and saw that I did really well on the multiple choice so that sealed the deal for me. The bummer is that there is no way to know if that was necessary or not. Either way, you just have to take the test you think you have the best chances of passing!
Thanks much. Even though I joke about it, and am genuinely miserable working and studying for this thing, it's my dream job so I shouldn't complain. Any advice for studying? I know you ended up with the main exam, not just essays, but as a practicing attorney. I've basically just been outlining using the big blue book and a few other sources, then taking those and making flash cards to try and memorize as many rules and exceptions as I can. No real clue if this is the way to go. So, any advice there or with MPT, I'd appreciate! Probably just attempting to feel better about my future...

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Re: July 2018 California Bar Exam

Post by horriblegb » Mon Jun 25, 2018 5:09 pm

JakeTapper wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:39 pm
horriblegb wrote:
Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:01 pm
Congrats on the job! But it really is a personal decision. I kept my results from the past and saw that I did really well on the multiple choice so that sealed the deal for me. The bummer is that there is no way to know if that was necessary or not. Either way, you just have to take the test you think you have the best chances of passing!
Thanks much. Even though I joke about it, and am genuinely miserable working and studying for this thing, it's my dream job so I shouldn't complain. Any advice for studying? I know you ended up with the main exam, not just essays, but as a practicing attorney. I've basically just been outlining using the big blue book and a few other sources, then taking those and making flash cards to try and memorize as many rules and exceptions as I can. No real clue if this is the way to go. So, any advice there or with MPT, I'd appreciate! Probably just attempting to feel better about my future...
Honestly that is generally what I did. I outlined essays, made flash cards, and bought adaptibar. I also bought some barbri books off someone but no class. I take the train to work so I would study both ways and then after exercising when I got home in the evening. (So about 2.5-3.5 hours a day) On the weekends, up until the last couple weeks I did no more then 4 hours. Work was really stressful with trial in prep so I get the stress. Then, thankfully I had the week before the exam off of work so from Saturday to the day of the exam (10 days) I just CRAMMED. I had my flash cards so I was ready to go. I think that is why I passed, was the insane week of cramming and Red Bull’s. Also I was very lucky my spouse was with me to study, and took care of all household things in those couple of months.

It was miserable. I totally freaked out. But you are a month away. And then it will be over and you’ll wait and hopefully it will go great! Good luck!

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