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by cookiemonster
Tue Jan 26, 2021 2:51 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

ETA: Scooped above. The US government cannot hire non-citizens in the continental US by law. That includes federal courts so clerking is out unless you can get one outside of the continental US. I’ve occasionally seen people want a clerkship so badly they took an unpaid fed clerkship to get around ...
by cookiemonster
Tue Jan 26, 2021 12:10 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

ETA: Scooped above. The US government cannot hire non-citizens in the continental US by law. That includes federal courts so clerking is out unless you can get one outside of the continental US. I’ve occasionally seen people want a clerkship so badly they took an unpaid fed clerkship to get around ...
by cookiemonster
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:20 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

ETA: Scooped above. The US government cannot hire non-citizens in the continental US by law. That includes federal courts so clerking is out unless you can get one outside of the continental US. I’ve occasionally seen people want a clerkship so badly they took an unpaid fed clerkship to get around ...
by cookiemonster
Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:20 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Biglaw is generally the only sector where employers are willing to (or able to) sponsor H1B visas. Even F500-type companies are very hesitant about it, maybe except for some tech giants like Amazon and Microsoft that have an H1B-ready hiring infrastructure in place but you aren’t getting those out ...
by cookiemonster
Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:47 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

You take out loans the same way most students do, except that they will need to cover tuition + COL and you will just need COL. The wrinkle is that since you're an international student you won't have access to the same loans that US students do, so you should contact Columbia's financial aid offic...
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:57 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

You take out loans the same way most students do, except that they will need to cover tuition + COL and you will just need COL. The wrinkle is that since you're an international student you won't have access to the same loans that US students do, so you should contact Columbia's financial aid offic...
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:12 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Congratulations on winning the law school admissions game. If you’re an international student, I also agree the marginal cost to take the Hammy over the Darrow is worth it. Thank you very much! I acc had a quick question tho. Since the Hammy only covers tuition and not COL, where do I get the money...
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:29 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Ilike2read wrote:
Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:59 pm
As someone who took it, I recommend Hamilton. There is no shot the lower COA and nominal stipend that Darrow comes with justifies taking it over Hammy given your goals. PM if you want more, unfiltered info.
Ahh got it, thank you for the insight. Also, I just PM’d!
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:22 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Where do you want to practice? Does it matter to you? Where do you have ties? Are any of these schools that are located somewhere you know you wouldn't be happy for three years? Are any of them located somewhere you'd really like to live and work? I have a hard time seeing an argument for keeping y...
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:30 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Congratulations, what fantastic outcomes. I'd probably wait for your offers elsewhere for just about everywhere on your list, but likely withdraw from UCLA and Georgetown (unless you are dying to go to law school in LA or DC). You can wait it out and see what aid packages you get at the other schoo...
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:28 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Story wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 11:28 pm
I personally would take whichever one ended up costing less out of pocket when I graduate.

Congratulations!
Thank you very much, I’ll keep this in mind!
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:28 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Where do you want to practice? Does it matter to you? Where do you have ties? Are any of these schools that are located somewhere you know you wouldn't be happy for three years? Are any of them located somewhere you'd really like to live and work? I have a hard time seeing an argument for keeping y...
by cookiemonster
Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:24 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Re: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

UVA2B wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 10:49 pm
Does the Darrow still come with a stipend? If so, take the Darrow and run.
The Darrow I was offered comes with a 5K annual stipend. Is 15K worth choosing Michigan over Columbia?
by cookiemonster
Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:02 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14
Replies: 30
Views: 2363

Hamilton + Darrow vs. Rest of T7-14

Got the Hamilton today, Darrow yesterday. Interested in practicing transactional big law. Should I withdraw from lower ranked schools or wait for their offers as well? By lower ranked schools, I mean I'd be withdrawing from UCLA, Georgetown, Cornell, Duke, Northwestern, Berkeley, Virginia, Penn and ...
by cookiemonster
Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

Never for NYC transactional work. Agreed. NYC transactional biglaw is the reason why it's coherent to talk about the "T13" grouping in the first place. They're all great for it. Oh wow, very cool. In some of the lower schools, though, they do class rankings and record GPAs. If one doesn't know if t...
by cookiemonster
Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:06 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

I'd aim for whichever school in the T13 gives you a full ride, with those stats. That big law paycheck is way nicer if you don't have debt to worry about. You don't need HYS for that - CCN would be excellent outcomes. I fully agree. Curious though, how low in the T13 until it becomes better to just...
by cookiemonster
Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:36 am
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

Full ride at CCN would probably give you the most options. Good school, less financial debt, etc. What are your stats, if you don’t mind telling? This whole thread may be pointless if your stats aren’t there. 175+/3.9x. Good stats, scholarship stats I think but the LSAC volume numbers are kinda int...
by cookiemonster
Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:59 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

How set are you on your goals? Any chance they will change? Do you want to keep your options open? Let us know once you get your real options after applying. Do want to keep my options open just in case. As of now I’m set on transactional big law, but from what I’ve heard it’s just bad news. So I r...
by cookiemonster
Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

The above makes sense. I think it’s at least in part because so many people who go to Yale are interested in (and can more easily get) other kinds of jobs (rather than that Yale hurts your chances at these kinds of jobs). I can see that at some point that becomes a self-perpetuating kind of phenome...
by cookiemonster
Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

it's just a derivation of the classic "CLS places better in biglaw" fallacy where HYS grads self-selectively clerk, go into academia, other unicorn-y JD-preferred jobs. and anecdotally for GC job postings, they all require 10-15+ years experience. i'm not sure non-law c-suite positions have a hard ...
by cookiemonster
Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:53 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

I was curious so I went and looked for some actual numbers on this: https://www.chambers-associate.com/career-moves/gcs-of-the-sp-500-companies-trends-analysis (S&P500, which are a different but similar group of companies, probably a better dataset for what OP is after IMO) https://www.lawdepartmen...
by cookiemonster
Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:36 pm
Forum: What Are My Chances?
Topic: Do international students get Ruby’s?
Replies: 8
Views: 2450

Re: Do international students get Ruby’s?

Hmm, I wonder if it's that they weight GPA more heavily than some schools? I thought I'd heard that somewhere but could certainly be wrong. Also, I wonder if international students apply to Chicago at the same rate that they apply to other places. Certainly the numbers of international applicants a...
by cookiemonster
Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

I think if you have the grades to go HYS and don’t really care what you do with your career it’s true that law school’s a fine career choice but like you should be aware that there’s a reason so many lawyers choose to to take 50%+ pay cuts after a few years with a firm. The key to maximizing your w...
by cookiemonster
Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:17 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

- It's the M8, not top 15 b-school - nobody is "built" for billing 2000+ hrs for 8 years. The workload is to burn ppl out by design. - you're overweighing the earning potential for your first couple years of your career as a deciding factor. - if you're applying to law school anyway, just toss apps...
by cookiemonster
Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:47 pm
Forum: Choosing a Law School
Topic: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law
Replies: 63
Views: 9766

Re: Harvard vs. Yale NY Big Law

There are way more senior non lawyer jobs at F500s than there are lawyer jobs so if your goal is just to end up at the top of a big org chart b school is the way to go even if you have to wait a few years to get there. Doing corporate at a cravath or wachtell is no guarantee of the outcome you want...