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Re: Criminal Defense

by Post_Alone » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:32 pm

Kümmel wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:12 am
Post_Alone wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:38 am
Solo criminal defense here. AMA.
PD here. The one thing I really don't get is how you come up with fee structure. Flat/hourly. How you decide what is worth what
I have them sign a fee agreement that has an initial retainer that I think will get them through the entire case but warn that depending on how their case develops I may end up asking for more. I send them periodic invoices so they can see how their retainer is being spent and then a letter describing why I need more money if they start to run out. If they refuse to pay more I just file a withdrawal motion but try to do so selectively and work with all my clients financially just to protect my own reputation re: fees.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Post_Alone » Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:27 pm

kellyfrost wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:24 pm
Post_Alone wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:38 am
Solo criminal defense here. AMA.
Could open a bail bond company as entity separate from your firm (and not run afoul of ethical rules)? If you could, have you considered it? Why or why not?

Do you work in any other practice areas or 100% criminal defense?

What is the most common charge you defend against?

Have you ever considered putting your firm name and contact information on drink coaster and then giving them to local bars to use as a form of marketing your DUI defense practice?
1. That would certainly run afoul of ethical rules. As a bondsman I would want higher surety bonds set but as their attorney I would want lower. That's the first problem that obviously comes to mind.

2. I only really like criminal work so I ask for ridiculous retainers in cases involving other practice areas. If they pay then sure I'll do it.

3. Domestic abuse and gun crimes are probably most common for my practice but this is only because I have a state public defender contract that gets me court appointed cases but the real high volume / low level crimes go to the actual state pd.

4. I'm overwhelmed by my current caseload so I don't need to advertise or market other than having a website. I find attorney advertising really distasteful and cringe.

Sorry for the late responses.

Re: Criminal Defense

by kellyfrost » Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:24 pm

Post_Alone wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:38 am
Solo criminal defense here. AMA.
Could open a bail bond company as entity separate from your firm (and not run afoul of ethical rules)? If you could, have you considered it? Why or why not?

Do you work in any other practice areas or 100% criminal defense?

What is the most common charge you defend against?

Have you ever considered putting your firm name and contact information on drink coaster and then giving them to local bars to use as a form of marketing your DUI defense practice?

Re: Criminal Defense

by Caesar » Mon Dec 16, 2019 12:32 pm

Kümmel wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:12 am
Post_Alone wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:38 am
Solo criminal defense here. AMA.
PD here. The one thing I really don't get is how you come up with fee structure. Flat/hourly. How you decide what is worth what
Ask people in the area what they charge and go from there

Re: Criminal Defense

by Kümmel » Thu Dec 05, 2019 9:12 am

Post_Alone wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:38 am
Solo criminal defense here. AMA.
PD here. The one thing I really don't get is how you come up with fee structure. Flat/hourly. How you decide what is worth what

Re: Criminal Defense

by Post_Alone » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:38 am

Solo criminal defense here. AMA.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Adso » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:32 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:10 am
The Criminal side of my practice has ramped up again. Have Court three days next week for plea conferences. Any of you that were considering making a jump a year ago make the jump?
I've been back in criminal defense for about a year now. No regrets!

Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:32 am

Damn that sucks. But as we know, this is the nature of the beast. The DA will always have the advantage over our clients in most instances for the stupidest reasons. My crim case load is lower in count again. I find this fluctuation to be fairly common among the other criminal defense attorneys in my area which is why we all practice in 1-2 additional areas of law

Re: Criminal Defense

by beep » Sun May 05, 2019 12:17 pm

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Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Sun May 05, 2019 9:09 am

Caesar wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:16 am
Had trial scheduled for yesterday. Learned earlier in the week that court was shutting down early yesterday and today. Told DA when first got there that we should just continue the case cause no way we were gonna get to it. 2 hours later, yea let's just continue it. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
Lol DA gonna DA

Re: Criminal Defense

by Caesar » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:16 am

Had trial scheduled for yesterday. Learned earlier in the week that court was shutting down early yesterday and today. Told DA when first got there that we should just continue the case cause no way we were gonna get to it. 2 hours later, yea let's just continue it. (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

Re: Criminal Defense

by bikeflip » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:17 pm

I joined a firm but still doing 95% crim defense.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:10 am

The Criminal side of my practice has ramped up again. Have Court three days next week for plea conferences. Any of you that were considering making a jump a year ago make the jump?

Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:17 pm

bikeflip wrote:
Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:32 pm
Nice. For your sanity, hopefully not in that order! Family law stuff makes me pull my hair out, and I don't even do family law.
Yea man the family stuff sucks but it does pay well. Picked up a couple new criminal cases nothing crazy though. Just glad to be back in real court. It’s tough when your main competitor for clients is the Public Defender’s Office but hey that’s what the civil stuff is for right?

Re: Criminal Defense

by bikeflip » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:32 pm

Nice. For your sanity, hopefully not in that order! Family law stuff makes me pull my hair out, and I don't even do family law.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Tue Sep 25, 2018 9:16 am

bikeflip wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 pm
What civil stuff are you doing?
Family, Real Estate, Wage Garnishment and some Disability stuff

Re: Criminal Defense

by bikeflip » Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:19 pm

What civil stuff are you doing?

Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:28 pm

Closed out my last criminal defense case about two months ago and haven't taken anymore since the civil stuff picked up but in a weird way, I miss it

Re: Criminal Defense

by Adso » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:56 pm

Saul Goodman wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:46 pm
Adso wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:46 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:27 pm
Caesar wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:34 pm
kellyfrost wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:17 am
Are you on any kind of court appointed counsel list so you could rep defendants that the public defenders office has a conflict with? I know a couple criminal defense solos who get steady work from that. The pay rates are low, but it is steady work they appreciate.
That's what I'm currently doing. Only doing misdemeanors since I just passed the bar.
Can you get court appointments with no experience? I guess that depends on the county
In my Florida circuit you could. I remember private attorneys ask us juvie PDs "can I do this?" questions just before their cases were called up all the time.
I too am guilty of leaning on the PD for certain things in court
I never had a prob with it since we're all up against the Man. Plus, got to keep doors open to the private sector!
Caesar wrote:
Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:46 pm
Gotta love when clients pick up felonies in other counties
And when they transport him without notice out of your jurisdiction and look like a fool in court when your client isn't there :mrgreen:

So, I'm officially back in the game, but this time fed side. Interesting stuff considering the fallout from the "zero tolerance" immigration policy of the current administration.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Caesar » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:46 pm

Gotta love when clients pick up felonies in other counties

Re: Criminal Defense

by Saul Goodman » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:46 pm

Adso wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:46 pm
Stirfry wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:27 pm
Caesar wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:34 pm
kellyfrost wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:17 am
Are you on any kind of court appointed counsel list so you could rep defendants that the public defenders office has a conflict with? I know a couple criminal defense solos who get steady work from that. The pay rates are low, but it is steady work they appreciate.
That's what I'm currently doing. Only doing misdemeanors since I just passed the bar.
Can you get court appointments with no experience? I guess that depends on the county
In my Florida circuit you could. I remember private attorneys ask us juvie PDs "can I do this?" questions just before their cases were called up all the time.
I too am guilty of leaning on the PD for certain things in court

Re: Criminal Defense

by Adso » Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:46 pm

Stirfry wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:27 pm
Caesar wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:34 pm
kellyfrost wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:17 am
Are you on any kind of court appointed counsel list so you could rep defendants that the public defenders office has a conflict with? I know a couple criminal defense solos who get steady work from that. The pay rates are low, but it is steady work they appreciate.
That's what I'm currently doing. Only doing misdemeanors since I just passed the bar.
Can you get court appointments with no experience? I guess that depends on the county
In my Florida circuit you could. I remember private attorneys ask us juvie PDs "can I do this?" questions just before their cases were called up all the time.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Caesar » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:44 pm

Stirfry wrote:
Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:27 pm
Caesar wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:34 pm
kellyfrost wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:17 am
Are you on any kind of court appointed counsel list so you could rep defendants that the public defenders office has a conflict with? I know a couple criminal defense solos who get steady work from that. The pay rates are low, but it is steady work they appreciate.
That's what I'm currently doing. Only doing misdemeanors since I just passed the bar.
Can you get court appointments with no experience? I guess that depends on the county
It's probably county based but my county allows anyone to get on the misdemeanor list but if they have no experience they usually assign a mentor if you don't have one in your firm. I think they "require" 2 years of experience for felonies.

Re: Criminal Defense

by Stirfry » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:27 pm

Caesar wrote:
Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:34 pm
kellyfrost wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:17 am
Are you on any kind of court appointed counsel list so you could rep defendants that the public defenders office has a conflict with? I know a couple criminal defense solos who get steady work from that. The pay rates are low, but it is steady work they appreciate.
That's what I'm currently doing. Only doing misdemeanors since I just passed the bar.
Can you get court appointments with no experience? I guess that depends on the county

Re: Criminal Defense

by Borhas » Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:00 am

Caesar wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:43 pm
Saul Goodman wrote:
Thu Jun 07, 2018 11:00 pm
Caesar wrote:
Thu Apr 26, 2018 2:24 pm
Our county needs people on the juvenile felony list but I feel like 7 months experience and no juvenile training would make it a bad idea.
I actually enjoy juvenile delinquency cases more than the typical misdemeanor/felony. They're tough to come by though
I signed up so I'll let you know how it goes
I was a juvie PD for a couple years, it's very idiosyncratic from jdxn to jdxn but if you have general juv del q's feel free to send them my way

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