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Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Fri Oct 22, 2021 12:50 pm

Much appreciated!

Re: Careers in legal aid

by northwood » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:31 pm

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Re: Careers in legal aid

by northwood » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:31 pm

Wait and see then go to the most economically friendly school closest to your target geographical area

Re: Careers in legal aid

by northwood » Wed Oct 20, 2021 8:29 pm

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Re: Careers in legal aid

by Stranger » Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:22 pm

Potat wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:34 am
By my interactions with faculty and staff, I’m getting a good vibe from ASU.

When would be a good time to ask ASU to reconsider my scholarship? Should I wait to receive more offers to maximize leverage, or should I get the ball rolling now? I’ve already inquired about the negotiation procedure - they provided a form for me to fill-in and submit.

Sorry if this is off-topic for the thread.
Four years ago, I went to the admitted students weekend and drank ASU's admissions dean under the table. He came right out and said to ask him for more money (someone else at the table emailed him before we went home for the night). Ask as soon as you have leverage, which is now.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by BlendedUnicorn » Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:22 am

Potat wrote:
Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:34 am
[bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep]

When would be a good time to ask ASU to reconsider my scholarship? Should I wait to receive more offers to maximize leverage, or should I get the ball rolling now? I’ve already inquired about the negotiation procedure - they provided a form for me to fill-in and submit.

Sorry if this is off-topic for the thread.
You have a full ride in hand, I’d start negotiating. Won’t do much for your leverage to say you’ve also gotten into a Cali school with a lower scholly. If you get a full ride at a comparable Cali school you can always update them on that (though, again, if you’re really committed to legal aid I wouldn’t overthink this, there isn’t a huge advantage to minimizing your student loans if the long term goal is to get them PSLFed).

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:34 am

By my interactions with faculty and staff, I’m getting a good vibe from ASU.

When would be a good time to ask ASU to reconsider my scholarship? Should I wait to receive more offers to maximize leverage, or should I get the ball rolling now? I’ve already inquired about the negotiation procedure - they provided a form for me to fill-in and submit.

Sorry if this is off-topic for the thread.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by northwood » Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:04 am

Potat wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:27 pm
I have yet to hear from CA schools. I've applied to UCI, Davis, Hastings, Loyola, Pepperdine, USD. I applied ED for UCI, so my fate could be sealed by year's end. LMU is not known to be generous. I'm an extreme splitter in that I have a sub-3.0 GPA. Also, their jobs data make me wary.

Thank you all! I really appreciate your thoughts and opinions.
If you want to have options, I would try to change your UCI application to rd. Otherwise, if you get in and want to go to law school, that is where you will go, even if you have to pay full tuition

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Hennessy » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:40 pm

Potat join the LSL discord. Let's have a chat about your plans/options.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Hennessy » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:34 pm

Yes. It's extremely helpful.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Tue Oct 19, 2021 6:25 pm

Guys, I've got another question. I'm monolingual. I'm seeing lots of legal services-jobs postings preferring Spanish speakers. Should I make a serious effort to learn the language?

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Mon Oct 18, 2021 12:29 pm

Will do!

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Story » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:25 am

Let the CA schools know about your scholarship. See if they can match or get close.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:27 pm

I have yet to hear from CA schools. I've applied to UCI, Davis, Hastings, Loyola, Pepperdine, USD. LMU is not known to be generous. Also, their jobs data make me wary.

Thank you all! I really appreciate your thoughts and opinions.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Story » Sun Oct 17, 2021 2:00 pm

Have you applied to or heard back from local LA schools like Loyola, Pepperdine, Southwestern, etc.? I imagine you might get good scholarships from these schools too.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by jeff chiles » Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:28 pm

A couple years ago they were offering col stipends around 10k, I’d ask about it if you are dead set on going.

I think your plan can work but it will be a ton of added stress/costs and if I were interviewing you I’d wonder why you didn’t go somewhere closer. Wouldn’t be a big problem (to me) if you have the same experience as local people, meaning you were working in the same local agencies each summer, but id also want a better answer than it being the top ranked school you got into.

Consider the possibility you could end up in central pa or philly or Baltimore forever too. Not making a value judgment on that but if trying to get back to LA doesn’t work I assume you’ll want to work somewhere and that’s where a lot of Dickinson grads end up.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Nony » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:40 am

Just to be clear, scholarships almost never include living costs - they're usually limited to tuition. It's always worth checking, but I wouldn't expect that.

And I missed the bit about you working in LA legal aid previously, but I agree you'd be better off going to school in California if that's where you want to get back to (or Arizona, over PA, to be honest - costs aside, that is). If you have a full-ride offer at this point in the cycle, you should get some other decent options in CA.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:29 am

Thanks, northwood! I'll reach out to one of the legal aid attorneys at our partner agency for their input.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by northwood » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:21 am

you can find your way back to CA from Central PA, but it will take a lot of effort on your part. IMO if you are going to go the Legal Aid route, I would suggest trying to go to law school in your target area, or as close as possible. In your case, since you have some connections with LA nonprofits, maybe reach out to them for their thoughts?

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Potat » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:00 am

Dickinson's offer does not include living costs. I can ask them to reconsider. My personal savings could cover my costs of living, but I've been advised to take out loans for any law school-related expenses. With my current offer, I estimate leaving Dickinson with $60K debt.

With ASU Law, I'd anticipate graduating with approximately $90-125K debt. Depending on ASU's willingness to reconsider my offer, $125K is worst-case.

You are correct, Story. I have worked with several large, human services nonprofits in SoCal. My current company is contracted with prominent legal aid orgs in the area. Though, I have not connected with any of those attorneys myself.

Could I attend Dickinson and connect with California legal aid via EJW conferences in DC? I have seen a few Dickinson alumni on LinkedIn who are working with legal aid orgs in CA. They did have ties to the state prior to law school, spend their summers interning in CA. I wonder if I'm dreaming to think that I could find my way back to CA from Central PA, if I really wanted to.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Story » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:50 pm

Hennessy wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:23 pm
It's not gonna get you legal aid in California, but it will get you legal aid in Pburg or Philly.
For Potat, because his hometown is LA, and he has worked for a large nonprofit in LA before, I think his chances are OK. Not good, but he can at least probably get some interviews.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Story » Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:48 pm

Does this scholarship include living costs?

How much debt would you be taking on?

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Hennessy » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:29 pm

Idk what the legal services field is like in Pittsburgh but it's fairly robust in Philly. That's a nice place to live and work.

But I wouldn't count on Dickinson (tho a good school) having legal services portability outside of the mid-Atlantic. A Los Angeles legal aid org. is gonna take Loyola/Davis grads who have put in their time at local non-profits and such.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Hennessy » Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:23 pm

It's not gonna get you legal aid in California, but it will get you legal aid in Pburg or Philly.

Re: Careers in legal aid

by Nony » Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:13 pm

Honestly, yes - not impossible, but more difficult than getting work in central PA. You can do it, but the people I know who did best in getting jobs outside their regional law school market had a specific alternative market in mind and targeted it from day 1 (or had strong ties to a small nearby market with maybe one local law school), by spending summers there etc. Also, look at where Dickinson grads get jobs, and maybe look up big firms in Philly and Pittsburgh and see how many Dickinson grads they have (not that you're aiming for big firms, but it can give you a sense of the mobility of the degree).

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